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  1. People sure are defensive of their hidden prince! Folks, remember that the tone of these heresy threads is supposed to be higher and more respectful than the typical forum Team Stannis vs. Team Dany arguments. You are in this thread to discuss the theory, not let the world know how stupid you think it is.
  2. Is usury a sin in any of the Westerosi faiths? A large part of why medieval economies were the way they were was that the major faiths all thought paying or receiving interest on loans was a sin. I don't recall any indications of that in the text but I miss a lot.
  3. Lyanna died because she gave birth to THREE babies, each with a different father. Daenerys was fathered by Rhaegar, Jon was fathered by Benjen, and Meera was fathered by Howland. Lyanna was a little ho. Also a cat.
  4. To those saying R+L=J can't be a red herring because it's not presented to the reader - what's the point in all the dreams connecting Lyanna's death to a "bed of blood" and the events of the Tower of Joy? In the first book we get strong hints that Lyanna died in childbirth at the Tower of Joy, though they are ambiguous and could be interpreted another way, the careful reader is going to suspect that Lyanna gave birth, and we're hit over the head repeatedly with knowledge she was kidnapped by Rhaegar Targaryan and that it's assumed he raped her. Plenty of people jumped to the R+L=J assumption based on the first book alone. It doesn't have to be served to the reader on a silver platter to be a red herring - those tend to be obvious. Red herrings are clues that point towards one answer when the true answer is something else. Almost all the clues to Jon's parentage point towards Rhaegar being the father in the first books, but we learn more through the course of the series that adds ambiguity. I'm leaning towards the HR+L=J&M theory myself, lately. I admit I could be wrong, but I'd be very surprised if R+L=J is revealed to be the truth without any kind of twist on that…if GRRM goes with the obvious explanation, I hope he also reveals that most of the other characters had already figured it out. If another theory is revealed, it would be great for others characters to say "I always assumed he was the child of Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryan, like half the realm, this is a shocking development!"
  5. Kind of like how the Holy Roman Empire was not really Roman (or holy or an empire, but that's beside the point).
  6. Feelings of disgust, maybe.
  7. If there are parallels between the "Who killed Jon" and "Who fathered Jon" mysteries of the first book, one must remember that all the clues regarding who killed Jon Arryn point towards the wrong suspects in the first book. I would not be surprised if, like the Jon Arryn mystery, we learn some things in later books that cast a whole different light on the R+L=J hints and provide an alternate solution that makes perfect sense in hindsight.
  8. Will Daenerys make it to Westeros? YES Some fans think that Dany's final destiny is in Essos and that she will never cross the Narrow Sea. Do you agree? NO Your two part question requires one to answer it both yes and no. This reminds me of a trick police pull to get people to agree to search their car - they say "Do you have any contraband in the car? Do you mind if I search the car?" - people say "No" to the first question and the police will interpret it as a response to the second question.
  9. I think I'm missing a heresy or two.
  10. It's not what I'd call grimdark - tone-wise, it's fairly typical gritty low-magic fantasy so far. So far it hasn't had anything happen that is too outside of what would be historically realistic - we haven't had any mad emperors sacrificing a million slaves or sorcerous weapons consuming entire cities and sending the souls of all inhabitants to a torturous plane of punishment - just some typical medieval warfare, humans being humans pretty much. There's not really many characters who "embrace evil" or even think of themselves as being particularly evil - even the bad guys are fairly typical villains who think their actions are justified. There's humor, friendship, love, all kinds of light aspects to the story to keep it from being grimdark, and so far we've really only had one major protagonist die.
  11. I'm saying that your point seems to be based on a misunderstanding of a feeling that Robert has that is normal and recognizable. Your argument is that the fact he can remember fondly aspects of a year during which terrible things were happening to a person he loved indicates he did not love this person. This makes no sense to any person who has (A) experienced great personal loss and (B) has suffered ennui to the point where the "bad old days" sometimes feels preferable. I had some great times in 2002. For most of that year, I was living in a small apartment with my parents and watching my Dad die slowly while losing his identity to Alzheimers. I still reminisce fondly of things that happened during that time. It doesn't lessen my love of my Dad. One of the most memorable moments in my life, seeing Return of the Jedi at a drive-in theater, happened less than a month after my sister was brutally murdered. That doesn't mean that I loved my sister less. Robert had some memorable experiences during the rebellion, while his true love was captured and presumably being raped by Prince Rhaegar. I don't find this unbelievable, nor do I see it in any way as a negative reflection on his love for her. I see that you were born the year I was a senior in high school. Live some more and you will understand how wrong this argument you are making is.
  12. I had some really great experiences within a year of things that caused me terrible grief, this is no kind of point at all. You're just trying to defend your misinterpretation of what Robert said at this point.
  13. What's crazy is that I accept enough "cultural context" that I would see Tywin as a gray character even if he did something I would see as evil as hell in my cultural context…if Tyrion's story was "And when father found out, he had Tysha put to the sword, beat me until I was black and blue, and threw me in the dungeon for a week" I'd say "Yes, that's pretty fucking brutal and evil, but he is a medieval lord who recognizes fully how dangerous what Tyrion did was to his legacy and wanted to make sure nobody found out and it never happened again". He'd be dark gray, but I'd have no reason to think he was sadistic and not just entitled and pragmatic.
  14. He looks back on it with fondness because his current life is incredibly boring to him. It doesn't make it fun. I look back at aspects of my old life with fondness that I wouldn't want to re-live. I think this is a pretty common human experience.
  15. Hah, at first I thought it was a parody of a song in the Robin Williams Popeye movie about Bluto. I haven't seen Beauty and the Beast.