Feliciano69 Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 The knight that goes in search of the evil dragon who stole away his beloved princess ? A little obvious I know, but I wonder, was that Martin's way of eye rolling at knighthood tales ? By making.........acidic parody :lol: ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thendel Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Well, "Robert's" Rebellion didn't start until well after Lyanna disapperance. It was Jon Arryn, not Robert, who started the whole thing when Aerys executed Elbert Arryn, Brandon and Rickard Stark and summarily called for Ned and Robert's head. In fact, if you start looking closer at the events that lead to the rebellion, it was most of all a bunch of lords paramount drawing the line against a paranoid king's transgressions rather than a single guy being pissed at the crown prince. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feliciano69 Posted November 29, 2013 Author Share Posted November 29, 2013 True true, though it resonated very strongly to me that Rhaegar would "steal" Lyanna away, and what with Robert feeling entitled, it seemed too much like a subversion of the entire genre. Personally I've found that to be the most fascinating aspect as a believer of the "Rhaegar and Lyanna loved each other" hypothesis, that Robert could've led an entire war on his own to rescue a woman that had no love for him whatsoever.Makes me wonder, the Baratheon brothers never get what they want o_O ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welease Woger Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 That's a clever interpretation. Made me chuckle :DMaybe at a very early stage of the story, this trope passed by GRRM's head, but of course a lot has changed since then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Very good idea. I think that it could be something like that since it was Rhaegar's actions that caused all that mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyse Stark Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 And Jon Snow could be Lyanna Stark's big "fat f***k you" to Robert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Greg of House House Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 That's an interesting idea. Imagine if Martin ever writes a Westeros story a thousand years in the future and Robert's sung as a gallant knight who slayed a real dragon to save a lady, then marries her and lives happily ever after. It would be funny :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erkan12 Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 No, Robert was face of the rebellion since he has targaryen blood. Ned and Jon Arryn played huge role like Robert ; Damn you, Ned Stark. You and Jon Arryn, I loved you both. What have you done to me? You were the one should have been king, you or Jon. ” In fact, if you start looking closer at the events that lead to the rebellion, it was most of all a bunch of lords paramount drawing the line against a paranoid king's transgressions rather than a single guy being pissed at the crown prince. :agree: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maester Tormund Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 I always saw Rhaegar "taking" Lyanna as the final straw that broke the camel's back and gave them a reason to rebel against Aerys. I also see the whole thing as being a lot closer to Troy and all that with Lyanna being Helen. ETA: GRRM seems to take little pieces here and there and then mix them all together to make his own story. I DM tabletop games and when I'm designing a campaign I always start with something well known, for instance in the current game I'm running the TV show "Lost", and then I add in other parts until its a completely different unrecognizable work from where I started. While Lyanna is a lot like Helen I'd say Rhaegar is a lot more like Hamlet than Paris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darksnider05 Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 I always saw Rhaegar "taking" Lyanna as the final straw that broke the camel's back and gave them a reason to rebel against Aerys. I also see the whole thing as being a lot closer to Troy and all that with Lyanna being Helen. That's not what actually caused the Rebellion though it was Brandon not being able to simply petition the King in a calm voice. Followed by the King killing a bunch of Lords and Heirs at Court. Lyanna and Rhaegar had nothing to do with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CassBlackfyre Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 GRRM Totally ripped off Twilight for Roberts rebellion, clearly Lyanna is Bella, Robert is Edward and Rhaegar is Jacob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maester Tormund Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 That's not what actually caused the Rebellion though it was Brandon not being able to simply petition the King in a calm voice. Followed by the King killing a bunch of Lords and Heirs at Court. Lyanna and Rhaegar had nothing to do with that. Brandon was petitioning the King BECAUSE Rhaegar took Lyanna. Lyanna and Rhaegar never run off together, Brandon never goes down to King's Landing demanding Rhaegar's head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrambled Aegon Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 I think this is a good and entertaining point. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pecan Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Isn't there a theory that Aerys was paranoid for a reason, that a Stark-Tully-Arryn-Baratheon power bloc was forming that would eventually pull down the Targaryens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maester Tormund Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Isn't there a theory that Aerys was paranoid for a reason, that a Stark-Tully-Arryn-Baratheon power bloc was forming that would eventually pull down the Targaryens? And that there was a plot to take out Aerys and put Rhaegar on the throne. Most theories around that generally agree (at least that I've seen) that the Tournament of the False Spring at Harrenhal was a meeting for all of those looking to take down Aerys. Varys got wind of it and told Aerys, so he went to the tournament which was his first time going out beyond Kings Landing willingly in a very long time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ygrain Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Brandon was petitioning the King BECAUSE Rhaegar took Lyanna. Lyanna and Rhaegar never run off together, Brandon never goes down to King's Landing demanding Rhaegar's head. My idea of petitioning the king definitely does not include yelling for the son of the said king to come out and die :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sansa_Stark Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Nah, Rhaegar def. had a big role to play in Robert's Rebellion starting. It makes you wonder why Barristan calls him dutiful. What had Rhaegar actually done to deserve that? Was he master of coin? Master of laws? Master of ships? Elia certainly wasn't a hideous women, so what gives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven in Winter Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 My idea of petitioning the king definitely does not include yelling for the son of the said king to come out and die :P Yeah that was just frickin lunacy. I would think you could expect bad things to happen to you when you demand violence against the kings own son. What the hell was Brandon thinking?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ygrain Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Yeah that was just frickin lunacy. I would think you could expect bad things to happen to you when you demand violence against the kings own son. What the hell was Brandon thinking?! That's the point - we have only a very brief account, from hardly a reliable witness, but so far it seems that Brandon was more intent on killing Rhaegar than on saving the supposedly abducted sister. With GRRM, I don't think this is coincidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sansa_Stark Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Yeah that was just frickin lunacy. I would think you could expect bad things to happen to you when you demand violence against the kings own son. What the hell was Brandon thinking?! Starks aren't really known for their thinking power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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