Éadaoin Posted December 13, 2013 Author Share Posted December 13, 2013 Thought provoking OP :drunk: , Lovely new avi as well.Thanks! I think Stephen Dillane actually looks surprisingly good with a bronytail- and I guess I really have E-Ro to thank for this avatar, in a way.Poor Cressen :frown5:That's a good point, the whole Cressen thing does probably color some people's opinions of him right away (and rightfully so imo, Cressen was basically just an innocent guy who had the misfortune to end up around Stannis) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Antony Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Anti Stan-stans out in full force! Nicky you said that Stannis was atleast a grey character, but now changing opinions eh! I like Stannis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danm_999 Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 I agree that Cersei is definitely not a good person whatsoever; I don't see what it has to do with this thread, though? Your thread title is "Stannis Baratheon: Worst Human Rights Abuser in Westeros". So if you cannot see the relevance in someone bringing up other, far worse human rights abuses by other characters, you've rather laid bare the fact you weren't actually going for genuine analysis and discussion with this thread, but rather simply hyperbole to knock down a character you don't necessarily like. I'm all for a genuine discussion of the merits and faults of characters, even if it means praising those I dislike, and criticising those I like, but this thread just seems like rank hackery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-Ro Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Thought provoking OP :drunk: , Lovely new avi as well.Dude that av is horrible. Much like quality of her posts.I'm beginning to see why your enemies on here all tend to reserve a very specific kind of derision for you tbh.The claws are coming out. How scary! Anyway, my enemies have a grudging respect for me. There is still time tho brah, just admit your wrong about stannis, I will forgive you. Honestly too much Stan bashing gets a little annoying for me, so that was the best part of the OP. It's not like I don't agree (to some extent) to what Eadaoin said, the man just has some flaws, but who doesn't. I like him anyway. He is the only one continuously doing something. His heroics don't come because of some prophecy that was promised and he doesn't needs a glowing sword either to be cool. ;)I agree. He has a few flaws but not many. The guy would make an amazing king. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arya kiddin' Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Actually I like Eadaoin's avatar too. I suggested something similar too in this thread. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sansa_Stark Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 lol yikes, I'll try to make this brief- the place to discuss this thoroughly is probably Genchat, where all of the gender/feminism threads are. But by power I was referring more to institutionalized power. I tend to believe that this general definition of sexism = prejudice + institutionalized power is actually pretty sturdy (and useful), despite the fact that I think it has its limitations. (and this isn't a way to excuse women from their prejudices, imo.)But if you don't believe that things like male privilege even exist, then you clearly won't agree with this definition, and one obvious reason I suspect that us arguing about any of this is doomed to endless circles from the start is because we evidently don't even seem to agree on the basic definition of sexism. (Though my initial usage of the word "power" was so vague as to be useless- i should have specified.)tbh this is a complicated subject that I probably can't do any sort of justice in an already fairly ridiculous Stannis thread (it would just get locked for being so off topic). If you really wanted to discuss it further, I could PM you. I'll be brief too. This looks and seems like a cheap method to excuse sexism against men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-Ro Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 But nothing near as homophobic as the one sentence Stannis said to Renly.What? How is a joke towards ones brother homophobic? He was insulting renly for being unlikely to produce an heir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sansa_Stark Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Nah, that Stannis comment was kinda homophobic. Not as bad as Cersei's anti gay agenda though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 What? How is a joke towards ones brother homophobic? He was insulting renly for being unlikely to produce an heir. Sarcasm dude, sarcasm. Haha. I am a self admitted StanStan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan the Man Baratheon Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 What? How is a joke towards ones brother homophobic? He was insulting renly for being unlikely to produce an heir. People seem to conveniently forget what Renly said to Shireen, prior to Stannis's comment on Renly's sexuality. Any father would've said something bad especially if that thing came from his brother and was directed at his daughter and Renly's niece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-Ro Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 How is "in your bed she's like to die that way." Homophobic? It stands to reason that renly wouldn't have sex with marg because he doesn't like having sex with women. It's a simple statement. It lS mean, sure. But no meaner then renly trying to steal the throne and insulting Stan's wife and kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-Ro Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Sarcasm dude, sarcasm. Haha. I am a self admitted StanStanLol, my bad brah, the name threw me off a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 What? How is a joke towards ones brother homophobic? He was insulting renly for being unlikely to produce an heir. And how does that show that he isn't homophobic, exactly? Yes, he was insulting Renly - specifically, he was insulting him with reference to his homosexuality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Lol, my bad brah, the name threw me off a bit. Lol. Just trying to be funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am of the Night Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 What? How is a joke towards ones brother homophobic? He was insulting renly for being unlikely to produce an heir.It was sexist, but I give it a pass, because of the context.Any man, who has any type of brotherly relationship with another man will tell you the same. You ALWAYS go for the low blow in any argument. Witness Renly's comeback. Another low blow. That's your typical brotherly argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizards8507 Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Are you guys serious? Anti gay agenda? This is Westeros, not Cleveland, Ohio. 99% of the characters would consider homosexuality an abomination before gods and men. Everyone's purpose in life is to build your house and bloodline, so reproduction and marriage are the name of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nictarion Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 People seem to conveniently forget what Renly said to Shireen, prior to Stannis's comment on Renly's sexuality. Any father would've said something bad especially if that thing came from his brother and was directed at his daughter and Renly's niece.Renly never said anything hurtful TO Shireen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Antony Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Luckily I have a somewhat functional relationship with my Brothers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan the Man Baratheon Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 It was sexist, but I give it a pass, because of the context.Any man, who has any type of brotherly relationship with another man will tell you the same. You ALWAYS go for the low blow in any argument. Witness Renly's comeback. Another low blow. That's your typical brotherly argument.Renly's argument was the worst of worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 And how does that show that he isn't homophobic, exactly? Yes, he was insulting Renly - specifically, he was insulting him with reference to his homosexuality. Words are wind. If Stannis were so homophobic, why would he name Renly his heir after he bends the knee, and let him keep Storm's End, and remain on the Small Council? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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