Blazfemur Posted January 24, 2014 Author Share Posted January 24, 2014 :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: It is not me who says that there is another character with mismatched eyes, it is the author of the books. Do we know that Shiera's or Tyrion's eyes haven't been altered magically... All in all, this is another, what was the word, ah "lame" attempt of pushing Tyrion as Targ theory... whoa chill there a moment killer. i dont agree or support tyrion targaryen one bit, but i wont go all elitist on those that do. george has a habit of doing surprise twists so it wouldnt surprise me if tyrion was something more than just lannister. but i wouldnt go out of my way to put them all down. besides, this wasnt a tyrion targ post, so just chill the hell out. I didn't mean to imply that I'm on the Tyrion Targaryen pole-boat. OP was curious about the mismatch of his eyes so I only wanted to give him/her a direction to go with it that was consistent with their proposed theme :) thank you kindly, truth be told it did slip my mind, the blue eyed thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mladen Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 whoa chill there a moment killer. i dont agree or support tyrion targaryen one bit, but i wont go all elitist on those that do. george has a habit of doing surprise twists so it wouldnt surprise me if tyrion was something more than just lannister. but i wouldnt go out of my way to put them all down. besides, this wasnt a tyrion targ post, so just chill the hell out. Excuse me, but what this has to do with you? The post you quoted was a response not to you, but someone else who told that information that came from book is actually "lame attempt of disproving a theory". This has nothing to do with your idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazfemur Posted January 24, 2014 Author Share Posted January 24, 2014 Excuse me, but what this has to do with you? The post you quoted was a response not to you, but someone else who told that information that came from book is actually "lame attempt of disproving a theory". This has nothing to do with your idea. no no no! lmao i quoted the wrong post, my fault entirely. i meant the other post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Vaes Tolorro Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 No, tyrion is just a genetic anomaly, a true, mutant. With a Targ ancestor to allow him to ride vision, of course :cool4: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamSongs Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Now that's the second time today I have run into this 'surprising Lannister ancestor' today. Someone want to hook me up with a link :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petyr Patter Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Not sure if this should be here, or somewhere else. There is a lot of commotion of Tyrion's alleged blood background. Reading through asos, there is a scene and i wont say which, where i think they say, "there was lust from his green eye, and fury from his black." also, his hair is golden, but they sometimes describe his facial hair as half blonde/half black. they constantly say his mother was killed during childbirth. could it be it wasnt childbirth that killed her, but maybe someone took one look at tyrion (and possibly his un-lannister features), and attributed that with infidelity, and killed her out of revenge? they seem to focus on his mismatched eyes and double-colored hair frequently. the black eye.. the "angry" one. especially when george writes of its "fury." wasnt the words "ours is the fury" the baratheon words? coupled with the black/gold hair, and the green (lannister) and black (baratheon) eyes, it kinda raises the question is maybe there was more to that than meets the eye (pardon the disgusting input of pun). If you are suggesting Joanna Lannister had a Baratheon lover, it was sort of a major plot point of the first novel that everytime a Lannister wed a Baratheon, the hair stayed black. Tyrion's hair is a pale white blond. So, no. I am firmly in the camp that Tyrion was the best heir Tywin could have ever wanted, but was blinded by his dwarfism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazfemur Posted January 24, 2014 Author Share Posted January 24, 2014 If you are suggesting Joanna Lannister had a Baratheon lover, it was sort of a major plot point of the first novel that everytime a Lannister wed a Baratheon, the hair stayed black. Tyrion's hair is a pale white blond. So, no. I am firmly in the camp that Tyrion was the best heir Tywin could have ever wanted, but was blinded by his dwarfism. also more than likely tywin would blame him for joanna in addition to being a dwarf. in regards to the first novel, what got me on the idea is that we never did see a baralannister, so we wouldnt know any better, correct? i mean int he family tree was there ever actually a baratheon lannister hybrid? thats what got me on tyrion possibly being half half because of the multiple colors of his hair and eyes (i thought i recalled his facial hair also being half and half). but no, the point would be his eye would be blue, not black, so yeah that throws it out of the loop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Pepper Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 also more than likely tywin would blame him for joanna in addition to being a dwarf. in regards to the first novel, what got me on the idea is that we never did see a baralannister, so we wouldnt know any better, correct? i mean int he family tree was there ever actually a baratheon lannister hybrid? thats what got me on tyrion possibly being half half because of the multiple colors of his hair and eyes (i thought i recalled his facial hair also being half and half). but no, the point would be his eye would be blue, not black, so yeah that throws it out of the loop. Baratheon and Lannister unions was what Ned looked at in the lineage book as confirmation for his suspicions. There were several. The gold always yielded to the coal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazfemur Posted January 24, 2014 Author Share Posted January 24, 2014 Baratheon and Lannister unions was what Ned looked at in the lineage book as confirmation for his suspicions. There were several. The gold always yielded to the coal. ah. thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Beyond the Wall Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 The Baratheon gene always trumped the Lannister. We know that from Ned's research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
complexphoenix Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Nope, not buying it. Not buying it at all. If Tywin believed Tyrion wasn't his son, he would have killed him immediately. He almost killed him even though he knew he was his son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazfemur Posted January 25, 2014 Author Share Posted January 25, 2014 Nope, not buying it. Not buying it at all. If Tywin believed Tyrion wasn't his son, he would have killed him immediately. He almost killed him even though he knew he was his son. well that whole argument kinda gets substantiated when tyrion asks for casterly rock in the beginning of asos (or was it the end of acoc??). that verbal spanking that tywin gives tyrion, he says he couldnt prove that tyrion wasnt his son. and yes i know, im probably definitely reading too much into it. rereading when he meets oberyn martell. martells apparently have darkened, blackened eyes. lmao sorry im nuts. lannimartell? couldve been the reason tywin allowed gregor to have elia, as a slight to the martells for his suspicions. this is all without even looking at the martell tree for a possible male martell, there might not even be one that couldve been there and im just too lazy at the moment to wiki it up. i mean, oberyn did specifically want to go out of his way to see baby tyrion (yeah i know he was a youngen), when jaime/cersei escorted him there and cersei nearly twisted tyrions junk off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazfemur Posted January 25, 2014 Author Share Posted January 25, 2014 lmao and i know im beating a dead horse, i just find it interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corbon Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 some spoiler stuff which doesn't seem to keep the spoiler tags... No, thats not a logical conclusion. The logical conclusion is that Euron's discoloured eye was around when Theon was a boy, not that Euron was born with it. Euron is a lot older than Theon and has been reiving since well before the lad was born. Euron's condition seems to fit very well with a long term (permanent) Hyphema - blood in the eye that appears black and damages vision. It explains his red-eyed coat of arms and his nickname of "Crows Eye" (crow's eyes start blue or grey the same as his other eye and change over time to a dark brown that appears black). It also explains why he wears a patch (which doesn't make sense if his eye colour is a natural condition and his vision, like Tyrion's, is normal) and why no one mentions him having multicoloured eyes or any other such wierdness as a child, or generally, just him being scary and evil and dangerous and crow-eyed as an older adult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mladen Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 No, thats not a logical conclusion. The logical conclusion is that Euron's discoloured eye was around when Theon was a boy, not that Euron was born with it. Euron is a lot older than Theon and has been reiving since well before the lad was born. Euron's condition seems to fit very well with a long term (permanent) Hyphema - blood in the eye that appears black and damages vision. It explains his red-eyed coat of arms and his nickname of "Crows Eye" (crow's eyes start blue or grey the same as his other eye and change over time to a dark brown that appears black). It also explains why he wears a patch (which doesn't make sense if his eye colour is a natural condition and his vision, like Tyrion's, is normal) and why no one mentions him having multicoloured eyes or any other such wierdness as a child, or generally, just him being scary and evil and dangerous and crow-eyed as an older adult. Hmmm, I have never considered hyphema, but I generally tend not to go medically into details with ASOIAF... I can live with that... All in all, it wasn't product of some magic trick in Asshai since we have evidence of existence of the condition prior to his journey to Asshai... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zamieo Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 People have to stop with these dumb theories already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kienn Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 People have to stop with these dumb theories already. Come up with a better one and we'll talk about that one instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazfemur Posted January 27, 2014 Author Share Posted January 27, 2014 People have to stop with these dumb theories already. lol because a tanned megan fox playing arianne is MUCH more interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dire-Lion Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Tyrion is a Lannister it's a major part of his story arc, he cannot be a Martell, or aTargaryen, or a Baratheon, or part of any other house Westeros great or small. Once Tyrion is not Tywin's son then all of the themes developed in Tyrions story are ruined it just can't happen if GRRM wants a story that makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADB Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Tyrion is a Lannister it's a major part of his story arc, he cannot be a Martell, or aTargaryen, or a Baratheon, or part of any other house Westeros great or small. Once Tyrion is not Tywin's son then all of the themes developed in Tyrions story are ruined it just can't happen if GRRM wants a story that makes sense. Agreed. A huge part of his entire characterization and the arc between him and Tywin is that he's Tywin's truest heir, "Tywin writ small." There is absolutely no logic in Tyrion being anything else. That said, I'm sure Tyrion has Targaryen ancestry--as does Tywin, Jaime, Cersei, etcetera. The Targaryens spent 300 years marrying off spare daughters; it would be kind of surprising if they never married one to the heir of the second most powerful house in Westeros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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