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Love, love, LOVE this featurette. So many wonderful things here... Drogon, Dany going crazy, Jon "growing up", Tyrion's trial, the Martell's, psychotic Gwendoline Christie *lol* and - of course - Hodor, Hodor, Hodor!

Took out spoiler cut since this bit from your post isn't spoilery.

...Funny that Bran's hair is getting a Tully retcon, LOL. I thought they were just curling Bran's hair a little for Season 4, but no, it definitely looks a lot lighter. I wouldn't say that it looks any more auburn, though.

Not necessarily a retcon. Some people's hair changes color. In my family for example, every girl starts out with honey blonde hair that darkens gradually and ends up almost black. Likewise, some people's hair grows lighter over the years.

Did anyone notice the Illyrio look-alike at the Oberyn-Gregor fight?

Look closer to Oberyn here, between the 2 Lannister soldiers closest to him.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/265e403571238168c7b5bb83fb6314df/tumblr_n0rf8cZQg91r9h4heo1_1280.jpg

Then from season 1:

http://www.gameof-thrones.fr/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/illyrio1.jpg


Well spotted! Though I don't think it's Illyrio. Probably just some wardrobe recycling here (which isn't all that terrible, since Illyrio only appeared in two episodes back at the very beginning of the series).

- Would Gendry show up with the BwB at that point like he does in the books? I suppose he could say he never made it to KL and searched them out again instead. Or they could not bother with Gendry at all this season but if he's going to re-join the BwB, it would have to be by the point where Brienne runs into them.

Personally, I don't think Gendry rejoining the BwB wouldn't make any sense at all, given that they betrayed for coin in season 3.

What I love

- The focus on Jon. Finally he looks to be becoming a great, badass character like he is in the book! Finally!
- Emilia seems to hint that the show will be keeping Astapor's chaos and Yunkai's war against her. This is a good sign. I was worried the show wouldn't include this.
- Speaking of Dany, wow, Meereen looks amazing. So glad they kept the pyramids.
- I'm glad that the show is keeping Dany losing control of the dragons, and more importantly Meereen. I was sure they'd whitewash over her problems.
- The scenes of Bran and co beyond the Wall look beautiful and like a painting.
- Tyrion escaping the black cells with Jaime.
- The shot of Oberyn and the Dornish arriving looks awesome.
- Tyrion's "guilt of being a dwarf" speech. Great moment from the book.
- The sets, costumes and cinematography in general looks even more amazing then usual

What I didn't like

- Arya's "nothing" speech. Stuuuuuuuupid and cringeworthy and trying too hard to be dramatic and profound.

Agree with everything I quoted here. As for Arya's comment about the good guys winning: Some of our beloved villains get offed this season (Gregor, Joffrey, Tywin, Lysa) and some of our favorites really do get into better situations: Arya retrieves Needle and finally gets to leave war-torn Westeros, Sansa finally escapes from KL and Stannis finally becomes interesting, as does Jon.

He discovers the news about Robb, Cat, Bran, Rickon and the marriage of Sansa. I can't see why its a big mystery.

That's how I interpreted it, too. And if his comment really does refer to RW and Sansa's marriage, then I will consider this a huge improvement over the books (I know, blasphemer, heretic, burn the witch, yadda yadda), where we got hardly any reaction from Jon.

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Them being neglected in the trailers doesn't mean they'll necessarily be neglected in the season. Theon was barely in the Season 2 trailers, but he had the second most screen time that season.

Agreed. Particularly given how some characters (particularly Baelish, Stannis and Davos) will have their best scenes in the last two episodes, which no producer would be insane enough to spoil just yet.

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Iwan Rheon posted pics of dogs in cages form the game of thrones set for season 4. So his bitches will be introduced sometime this season.

I expect so (since that photo once posted was taken down posthaste, as I recall, suggesting it was spoilery). Assuming we get the bit with the story behind the named dogs, it will be great for TV purposes, since it implies monstrous horrors--a girl being raped and horribly murdered for every dog named (and more unnamed girls who didn't "deserve" getting dogs named in their honour)--without actually depicting them. We don't really need to see Ramsay doing anything in the way of torture/flaying/murder/rape, as long as it's implied (screams, artful splashes of blood, ominous and cryptic dialogue referencing Ramsay's victims' fates, etc.), and really, the less we see onscreen, the better: the power of suggestion is almost always worse.

...Of course, D&D hardly took that view in Season 3, with the extended, graphic depictions of Theon's torture, and they certainly don't skimp when it comes to on-screen depictions of women being brutalized, so maybe they'll max out on the torture porn for Season 4. I hope not, though.

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I think after Tyrion's trial, Jaime will take Bronn to the Riverlands with him. I suspect that the show will use their passive-agressive friendship as a way to insert some witty observations about what's happening there without getting the viewers too bogged down in the Frey-Lannister intermarriage.



Also, I think that some people are being a little too over-ambitious on behalf of HBO as to how much they will be able to fit into 10 episodes.


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Also, I think that some people are being a little too over-ambitious on behalf of HBO as to how much they will be able to fit into 10 episodes.

Yeah, the speculation that (among other things) Season 4 is going to have Brienne meeting Stoneheart--meaning that Brienne will be through AFFC by the end of Season 4--seems a bit overblown.

I am a bit concerned by how some plots are clearly going to be dipping into AFFC/ADWD territory--Bran, Brienne, Theon, etc.--while others are stuck firmly in ASOS (Jon, Tyrion, Sansa, King's Landing, Arya). Up until now, everything had been (roughly) aligned, but that looks like it will change in Season 4.

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Bloodsteel Bitterraven,



I think it's safe to say that Bronn is replacing Ilyn at this point. Bronn is a fairly popular character, and they're hardly going to create and cast a new mute character just to follow the books, leaving Bronn with nothing to do. Not to mention that Bronn and Jaime are both witty and charismatic characters, which allows for some potentially great interaction





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I can't believe you seem to be the only one to mention this. I must admit I could not focus on anything else for a few minutes. I just kept thinking about that quote. Were D&D trying to drive us book readers crazy? I thought the forum would be going insane because of it.

It seems very likely that he's digesting the news from the south when he says that.

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I expect so (since that photo once posted was taken down posthaste, as I recall, suggesting it was spoilery). Assuming we get the bit with the story behind the named dogs, it will be great for TV purposes, since it implies monstrous horrors--a girl being raped and horribly murdered for every dog named (and more unnamed girls who didn't "deserve" getting dogs named in their honour)--without actually depicting them. We don't really need to see Ramsay doing anything in the way of torture/flaying/murder/rape, as long as it's implied (screams, artful splashes of blood, ominous and cryptic dialogue referencing Ramsay's victims' fates, etc.), and really, the less we see onscreen, the better: the power of suggestion is almost always worse.

...Of course, D&D hardly took that view in Season 3, with the extended, graphic depictions of Theon's torture, and they certainly don't skimp when it comes to on-screen depictions of women being brutalized, so maybe they'll max out on the torture porn for Season 4. I hope not, though.

The only graphic scene of Theon's arc in season 3 was the finger scene. You couldn't see the gore in detail, though, so it wasn't really graphic. But yeah, I agree with you on the rest.

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