Jairion Lannister Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Robb never named a hand at all in the books as far as I can remember, but if he had then who would it have been? My guess is probably the Blackfish: an experienced war veteran and close relative. It could have been Edmure, although if Robb had been able to go north then he'd have probably wanted Edmure to remain and guard Riverrun. Edmure was shown to sometimes be fairly incompetent as well of course, and Brynden had a lot more experience than him. Then again, he may have went to one of his important bannermen instead. Also, if he'd named a Kingsguard then who would he have included in it? Edit: He probably would have not made a KG or had a hand anyway, but if the thread is more of a hypothetical one for who it'd have been if he had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adiman83 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 What makes you think Robb would've named a Hand and a Kingsguard? As far as I remember he didn't want the IT, just independence for the North. And in the North they don't have Hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jairion Lannister Posted January 29, 2014 Author Share Posted January 29, 2014 What makes you think Robb would've named a Hand and a Kingsguard? As far as I remember he didn't want the IT, just independence for the North. And in the North they don't have Hands. He may not have, just a hypothetical question for if he had. I'll edit the OP to make that clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen of Whores Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Hopefully he'd be smart enough to appoint someone like Wyman Manderly instead of people like Brynden and the Greatjon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adiman83 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Hopefully he'd be smart enough to appoint someone like Wyman Manderly instead of people like Brynden and the Greatjon. :agree: A king needs a Hand that is good at politics and knows how to play the game. Warriors such as the Blackfish and the Greatjon were good fighters but not politicians. Manderly definitely has the loyalty as well as the mind for it. Another option would've been Howland Reed IMO. As KG, maybe he might have went with Brienne as Lady Commander because she does have the skills for it. She probably would've accepted because of her loyalty to Catelyn. Brynden as Lord Commander of the KG never would've happened because I don't really see that guy swearing an oath of celibacy. But he could've been on the Small Council as a military adviser ... hypothetically of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caggo Corpsekiller Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Hopefully he'd be smart enough to appoint someone like Wyman Manderly instead of people like Brynden and the Greatjon. He'd probably name some hedge knight from the south as his hand, thus pissing off all of his bannermen so that they eventually kill him in his sleep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jairion Lannister Posted January 29, 2014 Author Share Posted January 29, 2014 :agree: A king needs a Hand that is good at politics and knows how to play the game. Warriors such as the Blackfish and the Greatjon were good fighters but not politicians. Manderly definitely has the loyalty as well as the mind for it. Another option would've been Howland Reed IMO. As KG, maybe he might have went with Brienne as Lady Commander because she does have the skills for it. She probably would've accepted because of her loyalty to Catelyn. Brienne would've been a very good choice. If he'd went with someone such as Wyman or Howland for his hand, would the Blackfish then have been a good option for the KG? He showed no signs of wanting to get married and was clearly a very good warrior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadrich Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Well he wouldn't appoint anyone, but Blackfish was de facto a Hand for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen of Whores Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Well he wouldn't appoint anyone, but Blackfish was de facto a Hand for him.For all the good it did him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rysler Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Ned or Hoster, had they not died. With the options he had, I'd guess the Blackfish or Wyman. Or perhaps Ser Rodrik, his trusted castellan. Or maybe he would've legitimized Jon and freed him from his vows. Who could say... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen of Whores Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Ned or Hoster, had they not died. With the options he had, I'd guess the Blackfish or Wyman. Or perhaps Ser Rodrik, his trusted castellan. Or maybe he would've legitimized Jon and freed him from his vows. Who could say...Jon pre-ADwD would have been a pretty bad Hand, and would probably be even worse than Brynden or the Greatjon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joluoto2 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Ideal choice: BlackfishGood choice: Wyman ManderlyBad choices: Greatjon, Roose Bolton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxman Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Theon, before the Winterfel incident Jon if he could convince him to leave the wall (and make it legal) Catelyn, and then Bran once he was older Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frey Pie Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 There's a limited number of people Robb would have as his Hand:The BFLady CatelynRoose BoltonGreatjonWyman ManderlyJason MallisterEdmure TullyPossibly Walder Frey is he needs to appease him for some reason-shouldn't be around for too long As for his KG:BriennePatrek MallisterSmalljonBeren TallhartTheon GreyjoyBFPossibly a hunter from the Wolfswood-add something different into the mix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frey Pie Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Hopefully he'd be smart enough to appoint someone like Wyman Manderly instead of people like Brynden and the Greatjon. Why would the BF not make a good hand? Aside from his obvious military expertise he's also the hero of the ninepenny kings war (great for PR), has been brought up learning politics and diplomacy, is smart and not at all naieve (opposed to Robb), likely has contacts all around the Vale and would be a great link to the South Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJIM Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 I believe he would have named Roose Bolton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmyscouser Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 I don't know about hand, but at times, Robb's closest advisor seemed to be Lady Catelyn. There is entirely too much tut-tutting in this realm, if you ask me. All these kings would do a deal better if they put down their swords and listened to their mothers. ”– Lady Olenna to Sansa Stark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbunting Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Hard question to answer since there was never even a thought of it in the books. Hand, likely Roose since he was more political. Manderly was not around so he wouldn't have been involved. KG, why is Brienne getting mentioned? Robb didn't even know her, let alone trust her with his life. Blackfish and Theon seem more likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adiman83 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Hard question to answer since there was never even a thought of it in the books.Hand, likely Roose since he was more political. Manderly was not around so he wouldn't have been involved.KG, why is Brienne getting mentioned? Robb didn't even know her, let alone trust her with his life. Blackfish and Theon seem more likely. Strong, very well trained and loyal. That's why Brienne is getting mentioned. What else do you need from a KG? Blackfish would've been a good choice as well because he has the experience. But Theon???? The guy who ultimately betrayed his king and sacked his own home? I know he was technically a prisoner there but Winterfell was a home to him more than Pike ever was. And he sacked it. That's the person you would trust with your protection, as a king? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joluoto2 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 The question is of course if there'd even be a Hand of the King. Isn't this a tradition the Targaryens introduced? The King in the North doesn't necessary need to take up all the traditions of the Iron Throne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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