Duranaparthur Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 What was it? Tyrion? And all the misconceptions he held about the boy turned badass? His failure as a father with Jaimie and Cersei? Refusing to turn on Gregor, thus provoking Oberyn to serve as Tyrion's champion? Or was it failing to see what a nest of vipers King's Landing was? I mean c'mon, the man basically allowed the Tyrells to follow a cleaner version of his own Bob's Rebellion playbook, trusted and rewarded Littlefinger enough to raise him to Lord Paramount (why hello, Ned, seems you're not alone in underestimating the mockingbird), and then allowed Tyrion, a victim of a show trial, to outmaneuver him and pit the Tyrells against the Martells, a situation which he could have averted through any number of decisions. I mean, there's a surprising amount of thematic overlap between the manipulative son-of-a-gun Tywin and his supposedly less cunning Stark counterpart, but both men wound up dead only a short while after the king they served died, and both got victimized by the same player. So what's his greatest mistake to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sansa_Stark Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Saying "whores" that last time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zared Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Getting caught with his pants down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis Iron Baratheon Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Nest of vipers by far. If he had realized that littlefinger, varys and pretty much half the court was actually actively working against him then he could have made plans to at least stay alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mother of Mini Dragons Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Not doing better with his children. His whole purpose was to create this Lannister legacy and for that to happen his children need to continue to build on it. But because he fails them as a father they all tear it apart all along the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mourneblade Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 His greatest mistake is his legacy. He has no idea how to be a proper father and so his children have a weird moral foundation. Edit lol get out of my head MoMD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Thornhart Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Having his daughter in law raped hundreds of times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viserys - The last dragon Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 The red wedding. And of course failing his children- since they were suppose to continue his legacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myk Lonmouth Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Falling in love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis Iron Baratheon Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 The red wedding. And of course failing his children- since they were suppose to continue his legacy. How was the red wedding a mistake on his part? For his position it was brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duranaparthur Posted January 29, 2014 Author Share Posted January 29, 2014 Well, to point something out, Tywin is seen accepting and even somewhat celebrating the Red Wedding, so he's endorsing the breaking of guest right and marrying off his family to the Freys. So, on the one hand, he now has kin with the Freys. Yikes. And on the other, he's set a precedent by which the Iron Throne has no problem with the breaking of guest right and the usurpation of power by an inferior family. That's a pretty big act with major ramifications. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frey Pie Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 How was the red wedding a mistake on his part? For his position it was brilliant. I'd say the poster takes the view that the RW was a short term solution to a long term problem. I actually tend to agree in that there were better options out there. Tywins obsession with his House perhaps? The name means more to him then the actual people Also starting a war with the Seven Kingdoms (luckily Bob died) and moving towards Robb when the latter was raiding the West (he got away with this one though) Also OP, well done for spotting the fact that Tywin himself falls into the same traps as dear Neddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis Eats No Peaches Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Refusing to acknowledge Tyrion's potential.Getting caught with his pants down.Heh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis Iron Baratheon Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Well, to point something out, Tywin is seen accepting and even somewhat celebrating the Red Wedding, so he's endorsing the breaking of guest right and marrying off his family to the Freys. So, on the one hand, he now has kin with the Freys. Yikes. And on the other, he's set a precedent by which the Iron Throne has no problem with the breaking of guest right and the usurpation of power by an inferior family. That's a pretty big act with major ramifications. I don't think that the iron throne or even Tywin himself was blamed for the breaking of the guest right, rather the blame focussed all on the freys. And tywins sister was already married to a frey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duranaparthur Posted January 29, 2014 Author Share Posted January 29, 2014 Now I still think his greatest mistake was just completely misunderstanding the current political atmosphere of King's Landing. He makes so amny mistakes after taking the city that he almost does come off as a deconstruction of the Machiavellian manipulator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juan_Snow Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Saying "whores" that last time Pretty hard to argue with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winterfell Resident Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Committing the sack of Kings Landing which involved the killing of all Targaryens. Something could have been worked out where the transfer of power would go to someone other than a Targaryen without a massacre of them. It could've been done in such a way that the Targaryen children could've been wards of great houses in order that the Targaryens would never retaliate in the future. They've done it before. Look at Theon being a ward of winterfell when the greyjoys were defeated when they tried to rise up against Robert Baratheon. Tywin not only has an enemy in the remaining Targaryens but also in Dorne by killing Elia and her child. That was Tywin's biggest mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mourneblade Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Well, to point something out, Tywin is seen accepting and even somewhat celebrating the Red Wedding, so he's endorsing the breaking of guest right and marrying off his family to the Freys. So, on the one hand, he now has kin with the Freys. Yikes. And on the other, he's set a precedent by which the Iron Throne has no problem with the breaking of guest right and the usurpation of power by an inferior family. That's a pretty big act with major ramifications. The Red Wedding is his shinning moment not his biggest mistake. Robb is a traitor to the Crown and rebelled even after his father confesses to "conspiring to seize the crown", in public, on the steps of the Sept of Balor. Tywin is seen as defending the crown. Its entertaining that people get so wrapped up in a cause that they forget how it would look to the average commoner of the day lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis Iron Baratheon Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Committing the sack of Kings Landing which involved the killing of all Targaryens. Something could have been worked out where the transfer of power would go to someone other than a Targaryen without a massacre of them. It could've been done in such a way that the Targaryen children could've been wards of great houses in order that the Targaryens would never retaliate in the future. They've done it before. Look at Theon being a ward of winterfell when the greyjoys were defeated when they tried to rise up against Robert Baratheon. Tywin not only has an enemy in the remaining Targaryens but also in Dorne by killing Elia and her child. That was Tywin's biggest mistake. Not really, if the targ kids were allowed to live then they would be a rallying point for the enemies of the new regime and loyalists to the old one. We allready have this example with dany and viserys and aegon. Theon was different as he was held to keep his father, who was still lord of the iron isles, from rebelling again and in turn try raise theon to not be a rebellious lord in turn when his father died and he inherited his lordship. Elia was ment to be spared but that just kind of blew up in his face, so maybe not giving clear instructions would be a good blunder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Sansa Stark Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 "Wherever whores go" and the rest of his I-absolutely-hate-Tyrion-and-he-will-definitely-notice-that-stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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