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I haven't read the Harrenhal theory, but couldn't Lyanna have been travelling to Riverrun with Brandon at the time of the incident? Brandon was going there to get married, it could make sense that one of his famiy members would attend the wedding. And if he went to get Lyanna, it would explain why he left Riverrun between the duel and the wedding which was only a short time later. It would explain why Brandon seemed to be the first to know and also why he immediately knew that she was with Rhegear and had not been attacked by bandits. It would be reasonable for Rhegear to also have been invited, providing a reason for him to be in the area instead of at KL.

If Lyanna ran off on the road with Brandon, wouldn't Brandon's hunt for her/ride to the capital originate from the road, not Riverrun? Someone from Harrenhal could just as easily have reported seeing Rhaegar and Lyanna running off together.

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Even though the "abduction" occurred after the tourney, I think Lyanna stayed at Harrenhal after to network, prep for Brandon's wedding and learn southern customs. Another clue pointing to Harrenhal is Whent's apparent assistance. Being from Harrenhal, he'd know the area and the castle if they needed to get away. Plus the Isle of Faces and/or Meribald are in the area as outlets for a marriage.

And like Ygrain said, a lot always goes back to Harrenhal, even things in the novellas. It is obviously of supreme importance (I think it's a microcosm of Westeros itself). It's significant.

As for how they originally met, Lyanna was the Knight of the Laughing Tree, Rhaegar found her out and it's all history from there.

Yep, I believe Harrenhall is likely. Also, as you mention, Ser Oswell Whent was most likely a friend to Rhaegar as evidenced by his presence at the ToJ and the Whents were in control of Harrenhall at the time.

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If Lyanna ran off on the road with Brandon, wouldn't Brandon's hunt for her/ride to the capital originate from the road, not Riverrun? Someone from Harrenhal could just as easily have reported seeing Rhaegar and Lyanna running off together.

Brandon's hunt did originate on the road, From ACOK, page 599 on the kindle, Cat tells Jamie

"He was on his way to Riverrun when he heard about Lyanna and went to King's Landing instead. It was a rash thing to do. She remembered how her own father had raged when the news had been brought to Riverun. The gallant fool, was what he called Brandon."

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I haven't read the Harrenhal theory, but couldn't Lyanna have been travelling to Riverrun with Brandon at the time of the incident? Brandon was going there to get married, it could make sense that one of his famiy members would attend the wedding. And if he went to get Lyanna, it would explain why he left Riverrun between the duel and the wedding which was only a short time later. It would explain why Brandon seemed to be the first to know and also why he immediately knew that she was with Rhegear and had not been attacked by bandits. It would be reasonable for Rhegear to also have been invited, providing a reason for him to be in the area instead of at KL.

Since fairly some time passed between Brandon's travell to Riverrun and his death, only a few days before his wedding, it is more likely that Brandon was traveling ahead, perhaps to prepare for his wedding..

Any family members that would have attended, would have most likely arrived more shortly before the wedding.

Just think about it. In the time between Brandon learning about Lyanna, he travelled to KL (and he most likely was located somewhere inbetween Winterfell and Riverrun when he heared about Lyanna), got arrested, spend time in jail since Rickard had to assemble his 200 men and travel al the way south, and then the trial took place, and Brandon died. So there were two travels in between (with Brandon's obviously a little bit faster than Rickards, since Brandon would have travelled with a smaller party). That takes quite some time in medieval times.

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If Lyanna ran off on the road with Brandon, wouldn't Brandon's hunt for her/ride to the capital originate from the road, not Riverrun? Someone from Harrenhal could just as easily have reported seeing Rhaegar and Lyanna running off together.

I think that the news of Lyanna's disappearance (if she disappeared from Harrenhal) was brought to Riverrun by raven (and Winterfell, but since Riverrun is closer, that raven would have arrived first), and Hoster would have send a rider out from Riverrun to meet Brandon on the road.

Brandon did not learn about Lyanna's disappearance at Riverrun, he learned of it before, and doesn't seem to have stopped at Riverrun first.

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Wherever he "kidnapped" her, it was a stupid idea. Rhegar keeps getting praised by other characters, yet I find him to be the worst of all. His stupidity brought on the rebellion and everything that followed. "he was in love" isn't a valid excuse for someone who is meant to rule over millions of people. There's no way he didn't know what his actions would trigger.


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The Lyanna was at Harrenhal theory can only be credible if there were many othe ladies there. We don't know that much of Harrenhal during this era except it was held by the Whents. So the future Lady Shella Whent was most likely there (she could possibly have been the duaghter of Lord Whent that reigned as Queen of Love and Beauty when the tourney began, but that could as well have been a sister or aunt, we just don't know enough about the Whents). Minisa Whent (Hoster Tully's wife) would be dead since long, and the Whents who married Freys we know even less about (not sure when these marriages happened, and thus whether they'd be at Harrenhal or the Twins (or even alive) at this time).


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Wherever he "kidnapped" her, it was a stupid idea. Rhegar keeps getting praised by other characters, yet I find him to be the worst of all. His stupidity brought on the rebellion and everything that followed. "he was in love" isn't a valid excuse for someone who is meant to rule over millions of people. There's no way he didn't know what his actions would trigger.

Brandon should not have demanded the Crown Prince's head

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The Lyanna was at Harrenhal theory can only be credible if there were many othe ladies there. We don't know that much of Harrenhal during this era except it was held by the Whents. So the future Lady Shella Whent was most likely there (she could possibly have been the duaghter of Lord Whent that reigned as Queen of Love and Beauty when the tourney began, but that could as well have been a sister or aunt, we just don't know enough about the Whents). Minisa Whent (Hoster Tully's wife) would be dead since long, and the Whents who married Freys we know even less about (not sure when these marriages happened, and thus whether they'd be at Harrenhal or the Twins (or even alive) at this time).

As confirmed per SSM, Shella Whent was the wife of the former Lord of Harrenhal, and the mother to the fair made, who reigned as Queen of Love and Beauty when the tourney began. So when the tourney at Harrenhal ended, there would be at least two highborn women (Lady Shella and her daughter), in contrast to Winterfell (no highborn women), the Eyrie (no highborn women) or Storm's End (no highborn women).

Since Walder Frey likes marrying young brides, and Sarya was his fifth wife (his youngest child by his fourth wife is born in 270AC, and his eldest child by his sixth wife was born no later than 279AC, though he might have been born a year earlier). That leaves Sarya open from 270 AC until 278 AC, and she would have most likely been around 15/16/17 years old when she got married to Lord Walder.

During the Tourney at Harrenhal, however, she would have already been dead, since Walder's first child by his sixth wife had already been born.

About Wynafrei Whent, nothing can be said. We don't know how old her husband is, or how long they have been married.

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Brandon should not have demanded the Crown Prince's head

And should have checked if Rhaegar was at home in the first place. It's not like the Crown Prince is easy to overlook.

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