Queen Sansa Stark Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Def. forgot about her Winterfell snow fort, but I'm just big on the sort of "prophecy" of the direwolf pups: the mother being killed by a stag and the 5 pups representing the 5 Stark children, and Jon's pup being somewhat detached. I'm not writing your theory off by any means and I could see Sansa return to rule WF, but I like the idea of Sansa slowly becoming estranged from her WF roots. For the same reasons you see Sansa as a fitting ruler of WF for her ability to play the "game", i see that sort of cutthroat mentality (especially under the tutelage of Little Finger) making Sansa a fitting dark horse candidate for the Iron Throne, beating Little Finger in his own game. And as far as the North's outlook on this "game" goes, perhaps that works in the opposite direction: Tywin's cunning, backdoor moves seemed to have defeated the Starks, but Ned's unfaltering honor goes deep with the lords he ruled. Their loyalty runs further than skin deep, and they (Manderly and company) seem capable of playing the game themselves. But what you want from Sansa isn't happening. She is only get closer and closer to her Northern roots and even though Winterfell is at ruin she still wants to return home. Plus she is right now, strategically speaking, the best place where a Stark can be for a reconquest of the North/Winterfell. If there is one thing I am very sure of is that Sansa will rebuild Winterfell. Her ending up as ruler in the North is likely, but there is also a big chance it won't happen. What I see happening is Sansa temporarily holding the seat in Winterfell till Rickon returns and she steps down. The Manderly's may be good, but they weren't in the viper's nest called the Red Keep. With the way I see it the lords of the North would definitely appreciate a Stark who understands and could handle the South. Sansa would be perfect as political adviser during Rickon's reign and be the lady of winterfell till he marries. It is highly likely Sansa will end up the "Queen of Thorns" type in the North. She will not necessarily hold an official title, but hold a good deal of power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Willam Stark Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 "The wolves will return to Winterfell..."-JojenI think all of the remaining Stark children and Jon will reunite at WF, eventually. We know from each of their dreams and warging ability they-Starks and their direwolves- long to be together. And know that summer, shaggydog, ghost and nymeria are still alive. Rickon and Shaggy will arrive first, with Osha and Davos. I will agree with others that the Skagosi will be with them-hopefully with some awesome info. I think there has been so much written about Ramsey's bitches, his pride for them, and him training them to kill wolves, that when his downfall comes he will get to see 1-4 Stark direwolves eye to eye before they epically tear his "girls" to pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 "The wolves will return to Winterfell..."-JojenI think all of the remaining Stark children and Jon will reunite at WF, eventually. We know from each of their dreams and warging ability they-Starks and their direwolves- long to be together. And know that summer, shaggydog, ghost and nymeria are still alive.Rickon and Shaggy will arrive first, with Osha and Davos. I will agree with others that the Skagosi will be with them-hopefully with some awesome info.I think there has been so much written about Ramsey's bitches, his pride for them, and him training them to kill wolves, that when his downfall comes he will get to see 1-4 Stark direwolves eye to eye before they epically tear his "girls" to pieces. :agree: Ramsay's dogs are trained to fight regular wolves. A full size direwolf (or a whole mini-pack) will make short work of them. Would be great if Shaggydog led the charge. The symbolism of the youngest Stark's wolf taking out a Bolton bitch is just beautiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark@heart Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Sorry folks but I think we've seen the last of Rickon, the boy. I'm thinking (the boy) will be a prologue or epilogue POV. When the body dies, his spirit will go into Shaggydog. Davos either finds Osha with a big black Direwolf, who now answers to the name of Rickon or more likely, Davos gets to meet up with Rickon & co before his first "death" so he is certain that the "Stark boy" is now inside the direwolf. Then they end up in the Vale and Sansa is a Stark with a direwolf again & it changes everything LF has planned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Sorry folks but I think we've seen the last of Rickon, the boy. I'm thinking (the boy) will be a prologue or epilogue POV. When the body dies, his spirit will go into Shaggydog. Davos either finds Osha with a big black Direwolf, who now answers to the name of Rickon or more likely, Davos gets to meet up with Rickon & co before his first "death" so he is certain that the "Stark boy" is now inside the direwolf. Then they end up in the Vale and Sansa is a Stark with a direwolf again & it changes everything LF has planned. GRRM said there will be no new PsOV in the last two books. I'm thinking that includes prologues and epilogues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hippocras Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 GRRM said there will be no new PsOV in the last two books. I'm thinking that includes prologues and epilogues. I really doubt it. The pro and eps have always been characters we don't usually get in POV and have been his tool for giving context he has no other way of giving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbs Graves Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Sorry folks but I think we've seen the last of Rickon, the boy. I'm thinking (the boy) will be a prologue or epilogue POV. When the body dies, his spirit will go into Shaggydog. Davos either finds Osha with a big black Direwolf, who now answers to the name of Rickon or more likely, Davos gets to meet up with Rickon & co before his first "death" so he is certain that the "Stark boy" is now inside the direwolf. Then they end up in the Vale and Sansa is a Stark with a direwolf again & it changes everything LF has planned. That's a freakin' awesome theory. All these people who are involving Rickon in 'the game' will surely be wrong. The time for games is over. It is now a time for Direwolves, Dragons and darkness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark@heart Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Thanks Robbs I also want to mention that pro & epi POVs always die. A good way to get an important part of the story out there without spending chapters & chapters on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Sansa Stark Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Don't be ridiculous people. No Stark will die from this point (with the exception of Jon). Nor do I think that Rickon will go into Shaggydog -_- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Don't be ridiculous people. No Stark will die from this point (with the exception of Jon). Nor do I think that Rickon will go into Shaggydog -_- I hope you're right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Sansa Stark Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 I hope you're right. GRRM said that the ending will be bittersweet. Any more Stark dying makes the series bitter. So no RIckon won't die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WriteLikeTheWind Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Wouldn't it be sweet if Rickon is responsible for the krakens in the narrow sea, since he's a warg. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbs Graves Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Don't be ridiculous people. No Stark will die from this point (with the exception of Jon). Nor do I think that Rickon will go into Shaggydog -_- I'd be willing to bet my house on the fact that at least one more stark will be dead by series end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Sansa Stark Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 I'd be willing to bet my house on the fact that at least one more stark will be dead by series end. If there will be another stark death it's obviously Jon. He has "Dying for the greater good" all written over his forehead. It won't be Rickon I am quite sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Federico Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 It was bound to happen, I disagree with The Sun of Dorne on something, love her posts.Rickon's death does not have to make the series wrap up as bitter. It may or may not! There's very little narrative flesh on this character's bones. So, the more GRRM adds flesh to Rickon in TWOW and ADOS, the more likely his death would make the series ending bitter.GRRM seems to like to break conventions. If Rickon is to die, must it be some epic situation. Maybe it might be deafeningly silent in drama.Imagine Shaggy Dog being unruly after, and imagine Sansa having to order Shaggy Dog's death to save an innocent. Shocking!All that said, I don't see any of this dead Rickon stuff happening. Yet, it is plausible: GRRM could do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elwhappochachee Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 I like to think that if Jon survives his attack the north will rally behind him. If/when Rickon emerges I like to think that Jon will rule until Rickon is ready, and once he is Jon will then step aside for him. Just a thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickdt Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 What if it seems that WH is unable to reach because of the frozen sea. Maybe they can rally the Skagosi soldiers to go over land to WF or it turns out the Skagosi are the token force for taking the DF after they helped the Thenns in Karhold. Then after the battled of WF, while Stannis is on the point of executing Manderly, they receive a message from Davos that he was going to Skagos to retrieve Rickon Stark on the orders of Manderly and that the Skagosi have taken the DF. Then Stannis can't execute Manderly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Brandon Badwater Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Rickon is coming back as the crazy Stark, every family has a nutjob. He was already an angry kid before he disappeared, and to go off with a wildling to the nutty isle of Skagos. With Bran going to live a symbiotic life with a weirwood he could, with being the last male heir of the Stark house, be the nutty psycho king of the north Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLE Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I think the Rickon story will be, quite literally as per his wolf's name, one big long shaggydog story. Long, arduous, eventually boring - and eventually pointless.That is to say: Bringing Rickon back will either end up failing, or proving useless because he's unsuitable to rule, or he will die when he gets back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petyr Patter Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I think the Rickon story will be, quite literally as per his wolf's name, one big long shaggydog story. Long, arduous, eventually boring - and eventually pointless.That is to say: Bringing Rickon back will either end up failing, or proving useless because he's unsuitable to rule, or he will die when he gets back. I argue the opposite in this thread: http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/98515-queen-shireen-and-the-shaggydog/ . Because so far Rickon's story has not been a "shaggy dog" story because its barely there. A shaggy dog story is suppose to waste the readers time. Instead, I think he is going to be a pivotal character in one of the most important political arenas: King's Landing's King Consort, presumably after a marriage to Shireen. This is obviously speculation, but it gives the throne to the lawful heir as per Eddard's wishes, finally creates that constantly missed Baratheon and Stark marriage, gives Rickon something to do when Bran inherits Winterfell, and it gives the reader the fun scenario of Rickon throwing the most nervous dinner parties in King's Landing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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