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GOODKIND VI: THE PHANTOM MENACING

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Okay, people. You know the drill.

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Just a little line from GK5...

Single word TG sex scene? "GrrratchluuugRaaaachaaarg!!!"

*dies laughing*

So are we getting Phantom quotes, then?

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Just a little line from GK5...

*dies laughing*

So are we getting Phantom quotes, then?

The Phantom quotes won't begin until I have the book in my hand, so you'll have to be patient, they'll come.

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The Phantom quotes won't begin until I have the book in my hand, so you'll have to be patient, they'll come.

That's okay, Mad Moose. :D We'll all be patient, I think.

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I'm curious to see how Mystar will respond to some of the stuff Adam quoted from my PM to him. . .

Although I fear that if Goodkind's PHANTOM debuts at number 1 on the NYT bestseller list (let's face it, folks. At this time of year, there is a good chance of that happening, much to my consternation!), he'll certainly rub it in! And with good reason! :P

Ah, it's all part of the game! ;)

Patrick

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While we breathlessly await some choice passages from Phantom, perhaps the Mad Moose can provide us a classic moment from past Goodkind works? Something nice and meaty to discuss.

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How many #1's has Goodkind got I wonder? I don't know who said it but I love the quote "Nobody ever went broke underestimating the American public". :lol:

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I don't think that any of his books were #1 NYT bestsellers, but they're all listed as bestsellers to some degree or another. I think that Chainfire was 9th on the NYT bestsellers list.

Not that I regularly research how well Goodkind's books do...

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While we breathlessly await some choice passages from Phantom, perhaps the Mad Moose can provide us a classic moment from past Goodkind works? Something nice and meaty to discuss.

Well, if you insist.

In honor of the new thread and to get the ball rolling, here’s an extra Terry Goodkind Quote of the Day. In the last thread Jaxom noted “It's not just Kahlan! See! They're all sluts.†So I thought I’d take a look at some of the other little darlings in these books, whether they are well known or not, to see if it’s really true. So far so good. Here’s a gem for you.

In this chapter, the people of Anderith have a new Sovereign. Everybody (except those who are really in the know) believe he is the personal spokesman of the Creator, so he gets away with quite a bit. Dalton, another high muckety-muck who knows the Sovereign is just a guy, has a chat with his ditsy wife.

He quietly dismissed for the evening the woman dusting all the elaborate woodwork and, after closing the door behind her, went to the bedroom. Teresa turned when she heard him come in.

“Dalton.†She smiled. “There you are, sweetheart.â€

“Tess.â€

He had run the entire state of affairs through his mind a thousand times and had finally come to the place where he could face Tess and know he would be able to control his response.

He had to control himself.

He had retreated into his most trusted method of handling things. Only there could he be sure of his control. He was going to handle this, just as he handled so many other things.

“I didn’t expect to see you in so early.â€

“Tess, I heard something.â€

She sat at the mirror, brushing her beautiful hair.

“Really? Some interesting news?â€

“A bit. I heard you have been occupying the bed of the Sovereign. Is this true?â€

He knew now it was. He had pulled every thread of his cobweb.

She stopped brushing and looked at him in the mirror, her face a mix of emotions. Defiance predominated them.

“Dalton, it’s not like he’s another man. It’s the Sovereign.†She stood and turned to him, unsure how he was going to react. “He is next to the Creator.â€

“May I ask how this came about?â€

“Bertrand [the Sovereign] said the Creator spoke to him.†She stared off to a distant place. “The Creator told Bertrand that because I had been faithful to you, and had never been with another man, and because you had been faithful to me, the Creator had chosen me to be the one to release Bertrand’s worldly tensions.â€

Her eyes focused on him again.

“So, you see, it’s a reward for you, too, Dalton. For your faithfulness to me.â€

Dalton made himself answer. “Yes, I can see that.â€

“Bertrand says it is my holy duty.â€

“Holy duty.â€

“When I’m with him, it’s like…I don’t know. It’s so special. To help the Sovereign in this world is an honor as well as a duty. To think, I help relieve him of the awful tension that builds up in him from being Sovereign.

“It’s an awesome responsibility, Dalton, being Sovereign.â€

Dalton nodded. “You’re right.â€

Seeing that he wasn’t going to get angry and harm her, she stepped closer.

“Dalton, I still love you just the same.â€

“I’m glad to hear it, Tess. That was what I’m most worried about. I fear I’ve lost you love.â€

She grasped his shoulders. “No, silly. Never. I still love you the same. But the Sovereign has called upon me. You have to understand that. He needs me.â€

Dalton swallowed. “Of course, darling. But we can…we can still be…we can still be together in bed?â€

“Oh, Dalton, of course we can. Is that wheat you were worried about? That I’d not have time for you, too? Dalton, I love you, and will always want you.â€

“Good.†He nodded. “That’s good.â€

“Come to bed, sweetheart, and I’ll show you. You might even find me more exciting, now.

“And Dalton, it’s a high honor to be with the Sovereign. Everyone will only think more of you.â€

“I’m sure you’re right.â€

“come to bed, then.†She kissed his cheek. “Let me show you how happy I can make you?â€

<Survey says: Ding!!! She’s a slut!!>

~Terry Goodkind, Soul of the Fire

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Great! Not only are TG's women BDSM practitioners, they're also swingers.

...you know, this scene reminds me of a movie on a true-to-life religious 'cult' I saw on TV, the one who has a leader that sleeps with his female followers because 'God' willed it.

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Well, she's a slut, and he's an idiot. He's so angry, so upset, and then all she has to say is that "Well, he's the guy in power" and boom, he's okay with her sleeping with him. WTF? He should go rip that Sovereign guy's spine out. Richard would.

He knew now it was. He had pulled every thread of his cobweb.

That sentence just doesn't scan right. Now, I know the term "thread" can be used for spiderwebs, but I think it would read better as "strand".

I admit this is nitpicking on a level entirely unneccesary given the ridiculous turns of phrase TG regularly spits out.

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I'm curious to see how Mystar will respond to some of the stuff Adam quoted from my PM to him. . .

Although I fear that if Goodkind's PHANTOM debuts at number 1 on the NYT bestseller list (let's face it, folks. At this time of year, there is a good chance of that happening, much to my consternation!), he'll certainly rub it in! And with good reason! :P

If that happened, I supposed we'd deserve some of it. But if it only hold the spot for one week, we get to give it back as good as we got, no?

And we could always hang out in various Borders and B&Ns and ask people who take a copy from the stack if they know what they're buying? And if they respond in the positive, we wish them well and laugh behind their backs (all the while knowing that that might be the copy of the book that puts it on the list in a position to allow ourselves to be mocked). If they don't, we then humbly suggest taking in a copy of anything of GRRMs or possibly that young upstart Scott Lynch... :P

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Well, she's a slut, and he's an idiot. He's so angry, so upset, and then all she has to say is that "Well, he's the guy in power" and boom, he's okay with her sleeping with him. WTF? He should go rip that Sovereign guy's spine out. Richard would.

Nope, he'd be happy that she was doing what she wanted to.

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Great! Not only are TG's women BDSM practitioners, they're also swingers.

If someone would do the research I'd bet you'd find out that TG used to make a living writing scripts for low budget porn movies.

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If someone would give me the money, I'd make sure that Terry used to make lowgrade pornos.

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Yeah, that might be the line we're not supposed to cross... :P

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Well, she's a slut, and he's an idiot. He's so angry, so upset, and then all she has to say is that "Well, he's the guy in power" and boom, he's okay with her sleeping with him. WTF? He should go rip that Sovereign guy's spine out. Richard would.

From my vague reccolections, he actually goes and sleeps with a whore so that he can get fatal VD, then sexes up he wife, so that she can pass it allong to Bertrand, who can pass it to his wife, thereby doing away with four extraneous characters (and one extraneous subplot) to ensure that Terry never has to deal with that pesky continuity.

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Back to the proper subject, Goodkind's writing. Does his dialogue strike anyone else as excessively modern? Now, I don't need an abundance of "thees" and "thous" littered through the conversations to make it somehow "authentic". But the cadences of their speech just seem to jar the reader out of place.

GRRM, for an alternate example, seems to make great use of modern language (including swear words, for instance) in combination with a certain classical sentance structure to help create time and place.

Goodkind's characters seem dropped out of modern soap operas. Poorly written soap operas. Here is an example exchange:

“Dalton, I still love you just the same.â€

“I’m glad to hear it, Tess. That was what I’m most worried about. I fear I’ve lost you love.â€

...and on through the rest of the QotD...

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From my vague reccolections, he actually goes and sleeps with a whore so that he can get fatal VD, then sexes up he wife, so that she can pass it allong to Bertrand, who can pass it to his wife, thereby doing away with four extraneous characters (and one extraneous subplot) to ensure that Terry never has to deal with that pesky continuity.

I can't tell if you are joking. And that is so freakin' hillarious to me!

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