Boarsbane Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Not really, since innocent is merely a legal status and with the King being the ruler he could merely declare those whom he burnt to be guilty. But we know they weren't, all Rickard Stark did was come south to answer for the "crimes" of his son, Aerys roasted him alive. Since when is tyranny better than excess spending? Aerys was a worse king than Robert and anyone who argues otherwise is just doing so to argue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Had he been a better King instead of an absent King, the war would have never happened. Yet, that wasn't what happened.He was also an absent husband, obsessed with his lost love. This was what caused the war at the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gneisenau Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 But we know they weren't, all Rickard Stark did was come south to answer for the "crimes" of his son, Aerys roasted him alive. Since when is tyranny better than excess spending? Aerys was a worse king than Robert and anyone who argues otherwise is just doing so to argue. How does that change the fact that for most of his reign the realm was peacefully and not in debt, compared to Robert where the realm was peaceful up until the end of his reign and was drowning in debt ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boarsbane Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 How does that change the fact that for most of his reign the realm was peacefully and not in debt, compared to Robert where the realm was peaceful up until the end of his reign and was drowning in debt ? No thanks to Aerys, he let Tywin Lannister run the realm which was his great achievement but he managed to screw that up too by alienating and insulting Tywin until he finally resigned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qhorin Halfhand and Yoren Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 He did have some positive aspects that helped him as a king but overall the negative qualities of his character overshadowed the positives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard of the Rainking Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Aenys I, Maegor I, Aegon II, Daeron I, Aegon IV and Aerys II were worse kingsIt's funny how same Aerys I and Robert are as kings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gneisenau Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 No thanks to Aerys, he let Tywin Lannister run the realm which was his great achievement but he managed to screw that up too by alienating and insulting Tywin until he finally resigned. So if the credit goes to Hand, than all of Aerys' and Robert's failures must also be blamed on the hand, effectively making both Aerys and Robert equal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke O' Nooobs Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 I would say, good King, bad with Money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boarsbane Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 So if the credit goes to Hand, than all of Aerys' and Robert's failures must also be blamed on the hand, effectively making both Aerys and Robert equal. Do you honestly think Aerys Hand could of talked him out of executing the Starks' and their companions? Aerys and Robert let their hands do the ruling while they did what they wanted, Robert wanted to drink, whore, and watch tourneys, Aerys wanted to watch people burn alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasta11 Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 So if the credit goes to Hand, than all of Aerys' and Robert's failures must also be blamed on the hand, effectively making both Aerys and Robert equal. Robert's failure was that he was a poor administrator, letting others make decisions in his place while he had too much fun being king. Aerys's failure was that he was a mad nutjob who enjoyed burning people alive and ultimately wanted to raze King's Landing out of spite. I don't think King Bob was amazing at all, but compared to Aerys he's friggin Aragorn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gneisenau Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 But we know they weren't, all Rickard Stark did was come south to answer for the "crimes" of his son, Aerys roasted him alive. Since when is tyranny better than excess spending? Aerys was a worse king than Robert and anyone who argues otherwise is just doing so to argue. Where did I argue Aerys was worse than Robert, I merely stated the Mad King was more fiscally competant than Robert. What does that say about a King who was more fiscally incompetant than the Mad King ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gneisenau Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Robert's failure was that he was a poor administrator, letting others make decisions in his place while he had too much fun being king. Aerys's failure was that he was a mad nutjob who enjoyed burning people alive and ultimately wanted to raze King's Landing out of spite. I don't think King Bob was amazing at all, but compared to Aerys he's friggin Aragorn. Sure Aerys burned a few nobles, but under Robert reign he let his small council assassinate those the SC members despised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boarsbane Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Where did I argue Aerys was worse than Robert, I merely stated the Mad King was more fiscally competant than Robert. What does that say about a King who was more fiscally incompetant than the Mad King ? Just a few posts ago you said they were effectively equals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gneisenau Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Just a few posts ago you said they were effectively equals. How does being equal suggest one of them is inferior to the other ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boarsbane Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 How does being equal suggest one of them is inferior to the other ? If you don't think Aerys is worse than Robert then why do you continue to argue with people who do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thoradin Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 I thought about this as well and I think his rep is unfounded. There is no way that he could have been such a bad king considering he ruled the 7 kingdoms in peace for 15 years. Although I must admit he probably owes much of that to his council. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gneisenau Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 If you don't think Aerys is worse than Robert then why do you continue to argue with people who do? I don't, I stated they were equals under the criteria that the credit/blame be placed on the Hand. I don't subscribe to such a motion personally though. So I do think Aerys is ever so slightly better than Robert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boarsbane Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 I don't, I stated they were equals under the criteria that the credit/blame be placed on the Hand. I don't subscribe to such a motion personally though. So I do think Aerys is ever so slightly better than Robert. So running the realm into debt is worse than burning people alive and instigating probably the largest rebellion in Westeros history? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twenty of House Goodmen Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Better than Aenys, Maegor, Aegon II, Daeron I, Aegon IV, Aerys, Aerys, and Joffrey. That's not saying much though. Bad, but not terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gneisenau Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 So running the realm into debt is worse than burning people alive and instigating probably the largest rebellion in Westeros history? Aerys burned a few nobles. By contrast LF and the Lannisters (who Robert welcomed into the royal fold) killed a few nobles too. Aerys's and Robert reign ended with a mass civil war (through action and inaction). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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