J. Stargaryen Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Interesting: where did you find that? Also, it could have something to do with Jon: I remind you there have been claims hereabouts that Jon is natural born because Rhaegar was still married to Elia. The Targaryens were of pure Valyrian blood, dragonlords of ancient lineage. Twelve years before the Doom of Valyria (114 BC), Aenar Targaryen sold his holdings in the Freehold and the Lands of the Long Summer and moved with all his wives, wealth, slaves, dragons, siblings, kin, and children to Dragonstone, a bleak island citadel beneath a smoking mountain in the narrow sea. - Link ETA: Has anybody else seen this picture of Aegon riding Balerion the Black Dread? Pretty cool. Credit to Panos Targaryen for posting it here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Dominus Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 - Link ETA: Has anybody else seen this picture of Aegon riding Balerion the Black Dread? Pretty cool. Credit to Panos Targaryen for posting it here.Holy crap! I feel bad for anybody having to face balerion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disputatious Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 They did not call Balerion "the black dread" for nothing you know :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzanna Stormborn Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 - Link ETA: Has anybody else seen this picture of Aegon riding Balerion the Black Dread? Pretty cool. Credit to Panos Targaryen for posting it here.Thats sick!!! very scary :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Dominus Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 They did not call Balerion "the black dread" for nothing you know :)Haha true. I sincerely hope Drogon reaches that size. But that'd probably only happen via an epilogue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 - Link ETA: Has anybody else seen this picture of Aegon riding Balerion the Black Dread? Pretty cool. Credit to Panos Targaryen for posting it here.Yes, that was the quote I got it from! It specifically states all of Aenar's wives. To me, "all of" even suggests more than 2 wives, but that might be personal interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FittleLinger Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Yes, that was the quote I got it from! It specifically states all of Aenar's wives. To me, "all of" even suggests more than 2 wives, but that might be personal interpretation. I agree that it implies more than two. It is weird to use "all of" instead of "both" if they were two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ygrain Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 I agree that it implies more than two. It is weird to use "all of" instead of "both" if they were two. :agree: "All" means several, not two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzanna Stormborn Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 :agree: "All" means several, not two. So when said Targaryens were married to 2 or 3 wives, does the order of succession fall to the oldest son from all 3 wives? then goes to the next oldest son from all three wives? Or does it go from oldest to youngest of the first wife only? Maybe I should call Bill Paxton and ask :rofl: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chebyshov Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 So when said Targaryens were married to 2 or 3 wives, does the order of succession fall to the oldest son from all 3 wives? then goes to the next oldest son from all three wives? Or does it go from oldest to youngest of the first wife only? Maybe I should call Bill Paxton and ask :rofl:I'd assume sons from all wives would be treated equally, so it goes in birth order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disputatious Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 I'd assume sons from all wives would be treated equally, so it goes in birth order.I thought the succession order wasn't fixed until after the Dance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 So when said Targaryens were married to 2 or 3 wives, does the order of succession fall to the oldest son from all 3 wives? then goes to the next oldest son from all three wives? Or does it go from oldest to youngest of the first wife only? Maybe I should call Bill Paxton and ask :rofl: That's where discussion came from, right? While Aegon I was still alive, there was already a discussion on which son would follow him: Aenys, his eldest son, but birthed by his younger sister, or Maegor, his youngest son, but birthed by his eldest sister. Eventually they settled on the eldest son, which was Aenys. We don't know why Maegor got the throne before Jaehaerys, but some people have said that it was partly because Maegor had married himself to Aenys' eldest daughter (who could possibly be Rhaena, but who also could have been another sister). The girl was then older than Jaehaerys, strengthening Maegor's claim. (please remember this has not yet been confirmed, it came from someone;s memory, and I read it about half a year ago). So it was probably just the eldest son, married to the eldest daughter, to prevent all problems (if younger sons were married to the eldest daughter, they could make a claim for theis child is the daughter was the absolute eldest child). It's also possible that a second, or third wife only came into the picture after the first boy and girl were born from the original marriage, preventing such discussions all together. I don't think we have enough info on this though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyinblack Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 They did not call Balerion "the black dread" for nothing you know :)No fooling. Impressive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyinblack Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 A corpse yes, but bones?The bones remember Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ygrain Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 The bones remember Indeed. And certain bones remembering something very important are headed North. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyinblack Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 oh yes I wonder where they are ...The crypts hold so many secrets for us to discover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyinblack Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 A quick shout out here---I think that most of thread R+L=J v.75--was brilliant. This forum at its best. So glad that you are continuing the journey :cheers: I am a bigtime lurker but don't have much time to post & it is difficult to do so from my Nook, which is what I often use to read. Even with all the reading I do on the boards, I still have so many questions about Lyanna and how she ended up in the Tower of Joy.BTW I think one of the reasons Ned tore it down was so the site would not become a shrine of sort--like the Redgrass FieldNeds dialogue with the KG at the Tower is some of the most powerful writing in the series....you really feel the man well men in this case acting as dictated by their sense of honor and duty Powerful and sad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Dominus Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 A quick shout out here---I think that most of thread R+L=J v.75--was brilliant. This forum at its best. So glad that you are continuing the journey :cheers: I am a bigtime lurker but don't have much time to post & it is difficult to do so from my Nook, which is what I often use to read. Even with all the reading I do on the boards, I still have so many questions about Lyanna and how she ended up in the Tower of Joy.BTW I think one of the reasons Ned tore it down was so the site would not become a shrine of sort--like the Redgrass FieldNeds dialogue with the KG at the Tower is some of the most powerful writing in the series....you really feel the man well men in this case acting as dictated by their sense of honor and duty Powerful and sadI agree about the scene at the tower of joy. Its good men on both sides of the war, who respect everything about each other. But that same honor is what prevents both sides from yielding and results in the loss of life. Hence why Ned holds such reverence for everyone involved, especially Arthur Dayne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juggler Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Weren't the Kingsguard at Tower of Joy on the basis of an order from Aerys, to guard Lyanna as a hostage?Aerys was sane enough to realize how taking someone hostage works even at the end of the Rebellion, and he would hardly miss the opportunity to bring Ned and Robert in line any time after the situation started to look really serious. Furthermore, regardless of on whose order the Kingsguard might have stayed at Tower of Joy, they would still be in dereliction of their duty to guard the new king. To me the evidence (how much weight you give it is up to you) seems to be that Rhaegar must have given the order that if he fails/falls (or perhaps when, as he had clearly had some powers of foresight) they are to keep his child a secret from everyone...they would have no reason not to allow Eddard to see his sister even with the child, they are all considered some of the most honorable and good men in the entire realm, and I think any of them would have wanted to allow any brother to see their dying sister. The only way it makes sense for them to fight instead of offering him safe passage up the tower is to keep anyone from knowing of the childs existence, they would have no reason to fear Ned Stark harming the child if they escorted him to see his sister (and they also would have known about Ned Stark, they didn't insult him at all during the encounter). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Dominus Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 To me the evidence (how much weight you give it is up to you) seems to be that Rhaegar must have given the order that if he fails/falls (or perhaps when, as he had clearly had some powers of foresight) they are to keep his child a secret from everyone...they would have no reason not to allow Eddard to see his sister even with the child, they are all considered some of the most honorable and good men in the entire realm, and I think any of them would have wanted to allow any brother to see their dying sister. The only way it makes sense for them to fight instead of offering him safe passage up the tower is to keep anyone from knowing of the childs existence, they would have no reason to fear Ned Stark harming the child if they escorted him to see his sister (and they also would have known about Ned Stark, they didn't insult him at all during the encounter). Ned was present when Tywin presented Robert the bodies of Elia and her children so they couldn't take any chances that Ned would simply let Jon live. He is after all, Robert's best friend. That's why Lyanna's "promise" that Ned makes is so important and haunts him till the end of his life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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