Dany's death!

[Daemrion]

Where do you get this from? Robert Baratheon, the first of his name, doesn’t share your opinion, but who is he to argue against your fictional omniscience.

While Robert was on the throne, the Seven Kingdoms (or at least six) of them were united, united against foreign invaders. It is definitely not going to be as easy a war as Dany will probably have now.

All they have to do is look like credible threat. Robert is aware of that he is an usurper and believes that there are plenty of houses ready to defect to a Targaryen force if he looks weak.

But he does not look weak, and he has the support of Arryn, Tyrell, Lannister, Stark and Tully.

She got a thousand simply by selling Illyrios goods, so it doesn’t seem beyond her capabilities.

It would take a lot longer, and even with 1000 Unsullied unless she could boom her economy like she did when she conquered the Slaver Bay Cities, she ain't going to be anywhere near building up a big enough army in the forseeable future.

Medieval sea battles were extremely rare and the crafts very primitive. If the westerosi ship are anything like their medieval counterparts finding and stopping an invasion fleet that isn’t interested in engaging would be all but impossible.

And the ancient Greeks seemed to be very effective at sea with their Trireme's.

What do you know of that, do you have Drogo’s CV somewhere? The dothraki are feared throughout the East and he is the said to be mightest khal that ever lived.

What type of opponents are there in the East? Lamb people? Unless he conquered something like Asshai by the Shadow.

I'm top 90% across the board

In what? Post count? Spamming will get you there? Not saying that you spam, but it is quality responses that I think make a good poster.

Dante that only works when crops are ready to be harvested and if the Dothraki dont have a base to bring in supplies (which they would have in dorne), and if the dothraki slaughter all the lords small folk there's no one to collect the next harvest, so it sets of a count down to starvation

The Genocide King shall he go down in the history books as. If he tries to eliminate the Faith as well, then a religious war would I feel go against him, just like it went against Maegor the Cruel (and Maegor had dragons too).

[Red Rex]

RR, can you actually provide a source for this quote? I suspect you're mis-stating it slightly.

By the way, I'm glad to hear you're in the top 90% across the board. It's nice that you can look down on 10% of the population.

no if I desired to I could look down on 89% of the world on any particular characteristic, instead I try to study the people who are 95%+ in any particular area to improve myself...

No I can't provde it, it came out in something martin said after the publication of AGOT someone found it months ago for me, provoking other people to do my dirty work is my way of delagating responsibility, I know it's a fact GRRM said that, I'm not your errand boy Mormont... lol that sounded like an insolent Jon Snow comment

[mormont]

no if I desired to I could look down on 89% of the world on any particular characteristic, instead I try to study the people who are 95%+ in any particular area to improve myself...

Maybe you could try to study the people who are 95%+ in constructing an adequate argument, not irritating people, spelling and typing properly, checking their facts and citing sources, showing respect for others, and generally being taken seriously? I'm confident you have room for improvement there.

No I can't provde it, it came out in something martin said after the publication of AGOT someone found it months ago for me, provoking other people to do my dirty work is my way of delagating responsibility, I know it's a fact GRRM said that, I'm not your errand boy Mormont... lol that sounded like an insolent Jon Snow comment

Well, since I can't find it and you can't be bothered to look for it, I'm afraid I'll have to discount it as a point in your argument. That's what happens when you can't back up what you say.

[Enguerrand]

While Robert was on the throne, the Seven Kingdoms (or at least six) of them were united, united against foreign invaders. It is definitely not going to be as easy a war as Dany will probably have now.

What I said was that several people in the books thought that Viserys could be a serious challenge backed by a Dothraki khalassar, even at the height of Robert’s power.

But he does not look weak, and he has the support of Arryn, Tyrell, Lannister, Stark and Tully.

He has the support of Tyrells and the Lannister because he won. And if he and his lords are going to hide in their castles they are certainly going to look weak.

It would take a lot longer, and even with 1000 Unsullied unless she could boom her economy like she did when she conquered the Slaver Bay Cities, she ain't going to be anywhere near building up a big enough army in the forseeable future.

Quite possible. But what disputed was this:

She would be nowhere if she had not given birth to the dragons.

And the ancient Greeks seemed to be very effective at sea with their Trireme's.

Effective is a relative term. You could fight seabattles and protect strongpoints. But you could not put up blockades or stop invasions.

From the wiki:

Some medieval vessels were of considerable size, but these were the exception; they were awkward, and were rather transports than warships. Given a warship which is of moderate size and crowded with men, it follows that prolonged cruises, and blockade in the full sense of the word, were beyond the power of the sea commanders of antiquity and the Middle Ages. There were ships used for trade which with a favourable wind could rely on making six knots. But a war fleet could not provide the cover, or carry the water and food, needed to keep the crews efficient during a long cruise. So long as galleys were used, that is to say, till the middle of the 18th century, they were kept in port as much as possible, and a tent was rigged over the deck to house the rowers. The fleet was compelled to hug the shore in order to find supplies. It always endeavoured to secure a basis on shore to store provisions and rest the crews. Therefore the wider operations were slowly made. Therefore too, when the enemy was to be waited for, or a port watched, some point on shore was secured and the ships were drawn up.

Medieval ships lacked the fore-and-aft rig and swinging boom capable of adapting sails to the direction of the wind. which, minus the oars, left them at the complete mercy of the weather.

What type of opponents are there in the East? Lamb people? Unless he conquered something like Asshai by the Shadow.

It’s seems most of his battles have been with other Khalsassars, but that is my point, I don’t know, yet you claim to have knowledge that he is nothing special.

[Red Rex]

Maybe you could try to study the people who are 95%+ in constructing an adequate argument, not irritating people, spelling and typing properly, checking their facts and citing sources, showing respect for others, and generally being taken seriously? I'm confident you have room for improvement there.

why Mormont, are you seriously suggesting I give a accurate depiction of my abilities without a certain amount of misleading foolishness? haha 1) that makes for less interesting posts, 2) it would be leaving a public record, 3) doing so isn't in my best self interest, 4) what sources have I failed to cite other than the Martin comment about the "unexpected king at the culmination of the series" seriously other than that cite my mistake

Well, since I can't find it and you can't be bothered to look for it, I'm afraid I'll have to discount it as a point in your argument. That's what happens when you can't back up what you say.

Mormont that just stupid of you, I'm not spinning this out of the air, I wouldnt do that, but more to the point as board "moderator" one would think you probably have a more direct access to GRRM than most, so why dont you just ask him, i'll send in the question myself but you prob have a better chance of being answered

What I said was that several people in the books thought that Viserys could be a serious challenge backed by a Dothraki khalassar, even at the height of Robert’s power.

yeah robert himself for one, and had robert survived viserys might well have married marg gaining him the highgarden alliance, they were loyalists after all

[mormont]

why Mormont, are you seriously suggesting I give a accurate depiction of my abilities without a certain amount of misleading foolishness? haha 1) that makes for less interesting posts, 2) it would be leaving a public record, 3) doing so isn't in my best self interest, 4) what sources have I failed to cite other than the Martin comment about the "unexpected king at the culmination of the series" seriously other than that cite my mistake

I have trouble even making sense out of this paragraph, it's so poorly written. And I have no idea what you're on about wrt 'leaving a public record'.

However, you never cite sources. You even acknowledge that in the other thread!

Mormont that just stupid of you, I'm not spinning this out of the air, I wouldnt do that, but more to the point as board "moderator" one would think you probably have a more direct access to GRRM than most, so why dont you just ask him, i'll send in the question myself but you prob have a better chance of being answered

Maybe not - though some people have done that. You might, however, have misremembered it (happens a lot) or be interpreting the statement wrongly. The point is that without a citation, it's just words, and 'words are wind'.

Why would one think I have better access to GRRM by virtue of being a mod, btw? I have met George (and Parris) and corresponded with both of them by email, but that had nothing to do with being a mod. That means nothing outside of this board: I doubt George could even tell you who's a mod and who's not.

[morgoth]

NOW since Morgoth has gotten his latest installment of Red Rex Vs Dante confrontational posts why don't we go back to focusing ON THE TOPIC (ps. nothing I share about myself is NOT related to the topic, it is simply an explanation of how I've come to certain conclusions, if you think that throwing a football muscle memory is any different than nabbing someone with a bill hook critique THAT because I'd be interested to hear a contrary opinion on the matter)

Thank you. I have been entertained.

[Red Sun]

Effective is a relative term. You could fight seabattles and protect strongpoints. But you could not put up blockades or stop invasions.

You are generally right, but it was possible in the Middle Ages to put up blockades. In the late 13th century, a few North German towns (at the origin of the Hanseatic League) put up a successful blockade against Norway, and in the 14th and 15th century several wars in that region were fought by blockading and plundering coast towns. Of course, it was never on the same leve as the naval battles in the 16th, 17th and 18th centuries.

[Red Rex]

Why would one think I have better access to GRRM by virtue of being a mod, btw? I have met George (and Parris) and corresponded with both of them by email, but that had nothing to do with being a mod. That means nothing outside of this board: I doubt George could even tell you who's a mod and who's not.

you just answered your own question...

- by why? because I inferred that as a moderator of a huge GRRM fan site what you stated would be the case, and oops hello it WAS

Thank you. I have been entertained.

and that's a benefit in and of it self now isn't it

[morgoth]

and that's a benefit in and of it self now isn't it

IT IS. You make me laugh...you and Dante.

[mormont]

you just answered your own question...

- by why? because I inferred that as a moderator of a huge GRRM fan site what you stated would be the case, and oops hello it WAS

As best I can interpret this, you're saying that you inferred that because I'm a mod, I would have been in communication with GRRM before?

Well, I have been, though not much. But I don't have any special access, which is what you originally claimed. I can think of about six people on the board who do know GRRM well enough to have special access: only one of whom is a mod, as it happens. Being a mod has nothing to do with access to GRRM.

I certainly don't consider that I know him well enough to go around telling people how he writes, or what he thinks, OTOH. Do you?

[Red Rex]

IT IS. You make me laugh...you and Dante.

Morgoth, other than one other person whose a compliment to myself, your probably the person I like hearing from most on this board

As best I can interpret this, you're saying that you inferred that because I'm a mod, I would have been in communication with GRRM before?

I am saying that as a moderator of a fan site, you're a very active member of GRRM's fan base which from reading so spoke martin GRRM cultivates activley, I know that he was at that con thing which I have little doubt a moderator of this site would have attended and thereby have made personal contact with GRRM, it's really unfathomable to me that you need things that should be quite obvious spelled out, like why do you take everything I say and simplify it to such a simplistic version, like I feel like this is some passive agressive taunt or something I don't get how the connection isn't obvious

Well, I have been, though not much. But I don't have any special access, which is what you originally claimed.\

No, I simply pointed out that YOU have a higher probability of recieving a reply than me or any other non-distinguished member of this board who has never had any personalized contact with GRRM, I'm guessing you don't play the odds, but when you get right down to it the world is just one big casino

I can think of about six people on the board who do know GRRM well enough to have special access: only one of whom is a mod, as it happens.

yes but you know who those 6 people are, I dont, which means if we want the quickest resolution to this particular question you could ask one of those people with "special access" and we could have a resolution of the issue in the quickest possible time period

I certainly don't consider that I know him well enough to go around telling people how he writes, or what he thinks, OTOH. Do you?

I can determine the most likely scenerio in how someone goes about doing a particular task and I've begun writing myself, and in truth have read up on ALOT of GRRM's comments because he's reached a level of mastery in this particular field that I feel is unrivaled by any predessesor and/or contemporary

[mormont]

I'm very bored today. You can tell.

I am saying that as a moderator of a fan site, you're a very active member of GRRM's fan base which from reading so spoke martin GRRM cultivates activley, I know that he was at that con thing which I have little doubt a moderator of this site would have attended and thereby have made personal contact with GRRM, it's really unfathomable to me that you need things that should be quite obvious spelled out, like why do you take everything I say and simplify it to such a simplistic version, like I feel like this is some passive agressive taunt or something I don't get how the connection isn't obvious

I hope you don't write your novel like you write on this board. Sentences, paragraphs, punctuation, spelling...

Anyway, 'that con thing' would be WorldCon? George goes to lots of cons. But prior to last year, neither Ran nor myself had ever been to one, and KAH has still never been to one. So your assumption is questionable.

But I'm fairly sure you're backtracking anyway. You said 'as a moderator', and you meant 'as a moderator', ie by virtue of being a mod, not because as a mod I am more likely to have met George.

I can determine the most likely scenerio in how someone goes about doing a particular task and I've begun writing myself, and in truth have read up on ALOT of GRRM's comments because he's reached a level of mastery in this particular field that I feel is unrivaled by any predessesor and/or contemporary

That's very nice for you. But it is still just your opinion, and really, all I am saying is that it would be nice if you could distinguish between your opinion and George's, or at least allow for the possibility, however faint, that they differ.

[Red Rex]

I'm very bored today. You can tell.

I hope you don't write your novel like you write on this board. Sentences, paragraphs, punctuation, spelling...

of course not, but that's about $ as well as passion, which requires more discipline and consideration

Anyway, 'that con thing' would be WorldCon? George goes to lots of cons. But prior to last year, neither Ran nor myself had ever been to one, and KAH has still never been to one. So your assumption is questionable.

nitpick, nitpick

But I'm fairly sure you're backtracking anyway. You said 'as a moderator', and you meant 'as a moderator', ie by virtue of being a mod, not because as a mod I am more likely to have met George.

well, you're wrong... and unless you're a mind reader you have absolutely no way to know what I meant wait, wait is someone inferring INFERENCE INFERENCE hold the phones, call the INFERENCE POLICE

As a moderator you're dedicating a sizeable amount of your time to a board created for the sole purpose to discuss GRRM's work, thereofre this indicates a hightened level of awareness of GRRM, his work and increases the probability you'd have met him, gone to readings ect. yes because you're a mod is the original indicator but you're trying to shift the facts to support what you'd like the accepted version of the sequence of events to be... not bad propoganist work but you wont win this one Mormont

That's very nice for you. But it is still just your opinion, and really, all I am saying is that it would be nice if you could distinguish between your opinion and George's, or at least allow for the possibility, however faint, that they differ.

yes I get the underlying theme, and I'm not saying it's completely without merit, but you have cited any posts I've made that needed citable clarification other than the specific case in which you are the most likely avenue towards getting a resolution

[mormont]

RR: yes, I'm inferring about your motivations. Nothing wrong with that: as you say, inference is not evidence.

yes I get the underlying theme, and I'm not saying it's completely without merit, but you have cited any posts I've made that needed citable clarification other than the specific case in which you are the most likely avenue towards getting a resolution

What am I, your errand boy?

I can cite several examples from this very thread. I predict, however, that your response will be simply to explain why these are facts, not just your opinion.

For example:

Once Robb donned the crown he HAD no mother, the only authority over a king is God/Gods (in the case of westeros)

It was Cat's countermining Robb's royal will that led Edmure to take "independent initiative" which ultimately cost them the war.

Robb only sent Cat as emmissary to Renly because she refused to return to Winterfell, but your absolutly correct that sending Theon to Pyke was a collosal blunder, but he blocked out Cats good counsel because she'd been over riding his will rather consistently up until that point

All of these are you stating your interpretation as a fact, in addition to the issue of your claim that monarchs in Westeros can order any women they like to their bed, of course.

[Red Rex]

For example:

All of these are you stating your interpretation as a fact, in addition to the issue of your claim that monarchs in Westeros can order any women they like to their bed, of course.

contradict those statements and prove them false then, they ARE true.

[mormont]

Why? I don't have to prove anything.

Their 'truth' is irrelevant: the issue is, they are all opinions of yours that you state as fact.

But thanks for proving me right.

I predict, however, that your response will be simply to explain why these are facts, not just your opinion.

[Red Rex]

Why? I don't have to prove anything.

Their 'truth' is irrelevant: the issue is, they are all opinions of yours that you state as fact.

But thanks for proving me right.

haha move to france, wear a funny hat and start calling yourself nostradamous if you can predict my actions

[morgoth]

I'm very bored today. You can tell.

I hope you don't write your novel like you write on this board. Sentences, paragraphs, punctuation, spelling...

Mormont,

In all fairness, ALL authors have editors to fix their grammatical faux pas and mispellings. rex doesn't have that luxury. They also repair run-on sentences and fragments.

[mormont]

One doesn't need to be Nostradamus to predict your actions, Rex.