Wmarshal Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 I say he has none to CR. He murdered his own father, his king, then left. Not to mention bylaws of gods and men, he should be short a head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutch Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 I say he has none to CR. He murdered his own father, his king, then left. Not to mention bylaws of gods and men, he should be short a head.Well, he can't get much shorter. (*rimshot)Seriously though, he did murder his father, but contrary to popular (Westerosi) beliefs, he murdered no king. Also, he seems more into right of conquest right now, rather than birth right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmarshal Posted May 4, 2014 Author Share Posted May 4, 2014 I know he didn't you know he didn't, but everyone else doesn't. As to right of conquest, sure he can try, I just wouldn't be surprised his story ends with him poisoned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam de Felden Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 Sad to say but Tyrion has no rights to anything. The kinslayer is accursed, and no one in westeros is going yo shed a tear for the demon monkey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyLittleFinger Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 I say he has none to CR. He murdered his own father, his king, then left. Not to mention bylaws of gods and men, he should be short a head. Under current administration yes. Under Stannistration yes. Under Aegonstration...maybe? Under Danystration he'll probably be a hero and welcome to all his old entitlements. Didn't quite kill the king sadly though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Santa of House Claus Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 Tyrion would hardly be the first nobleman to speed up his inheritance. People might not like it, they might suspect Tyrion's hand, well finger, in the murder of Tywin, but remember, there is no proof. Just like with Joffrey, it will only be popular opinion among the masses, not confirmed fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Blue Eyes Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 Sad to say but Tyrion has no rights to anything. The kinslayer is accursed, and no one in westeros is going yo shed a tear for the demon monkey. Well, he has the right to a beheading instead of a noose. After all, he is a noble :cool4: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vox umbrarum Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 Just like with Joffrey, it will only be popular opinion among the masses, not confirmed fact. He's a convicted murder in terms of Westerosi law. He did lose his trial after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyanna<3Rhaegar Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 But who will stop him if they are all gone? Tywin is dead, eventually whoever the volonquar is will get Cersei, presumably after Tommen & Myrcella die. There will be noone left to argue with him over CR except maybe Jaime & I don't think he would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 Rights or no rights, if he rides in on a dragon, he's not going to get much opposition. If Daenerys grants him Casterly Rock he'll have a claim through that regardless of what came before. Kinslaying is frowned upon and said to ensure being accursed but...is it actually illegal? Tyrion was deemed treasonous and all his worldly goods and claims were attainted based on the regicide charge, not based on having killed his father, IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bittersteel Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 I say he has none to CR. He murdered his own father, his king, then left. Not to mention bylaws of gods and men, he should be short a head. Does this mean that if Rhaegar had killed Aery's he would have no entitlement to the Iron Throne on moral grounds alone? I'm of the mind that if he'd done so it could have saved thousands of lives. These things are never as cut and dry as they seem. In relation to Tyrion killing his own father, technically the act alone does nothing to diminish his claim on Casterly Rock but as he was discovered I believe Cersei has barred him from the succession for kinslaying. He still has a genetic claim of course, that can't be taken away unless it can be proved Tywin and his wife weren't his parents, but in terms of legal succession I think he's well out of line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the conquoring bastard25 Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 Tyrion didn't murder his king. That was littlefinger and Tyrell work. Did he kill Tywin yes and there are those that might say that was a great first step to cleansing the realm. Jamie took that white as the second son, Casterly Rock is Tyrions by all the laws in the realm. So there's that. Now if he can get a king to listen to why he killed Tywin and they are sypathic to his plight and they are in need of some lannister gold or armies. Reinstating Tyrion is a great first step. The west is more likely to bend the knee to Tyrion then someone else from a different part of the realm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanless Mace Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 With a dragon under him, Tyrion can and will have CR if he wants. Or not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferocious Veldt Roarer Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 But who will stop him if they are all gone? Tywin is dead, eventually whoever the volonquar is will get Cersei, presumably after Tommen & Myrcella die. There will be noone left to argue with him over CR except maybe Jaime & I don't think he would. Everybody in the Westerlands? Tyrion murdered his own father. If one day he finds a dagger between his shoulder blades, he should not be surprised. No, I don't see Tyrion living happily ever after as Lord of Casterly Rock, no more than Roose Bolton as Warden of the North. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boarsbane Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 He has no right to CR and no one in the Westerlands wants to see the little beast have it. Kevan's boy is a much better option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
complexphoenix Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 Ok, and which court do you suppose will agree with that legal argument?... oh right... there are no courts in Westeros. Westerosi Law is a set of social conventions legitimized by their long existence and broad acceptance which can be rendered malleable or even completely ignored if the person who wishes to do so has enough swords. Tyrion has a legally plausible argument that he is the rightful heir to CR and Cersei has a legally plausible argument that he isn't. Which one prevails will depend on who can defeat the other and take the Rock. A more persuasive legal argument can certainly help to attract more swords, especially from among the honorable set, but beyond that it doesn't really matter that much who is legally "correct". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Damian Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 If a new occupant take the iron throne and issues a pardon to him, yeah, he is free and clear, Ser Jaime killed his own king and he was in the kingsguard. He was pardoned and is now lord commander of the same kingsguard. It can happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmarshal Posted May 5, 2014 Author Share Posted May 5, 2014 There are courts in Westeros, and the most expected and universal form of law, the trial by combat, took place. He lost, by all laws from Dorne to the Wall, is no lord, but a dead man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyanna<3Rhaegar Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 Everybody in the Westerlands? Tyrion murdered his own father. If one day he finds a dagger between his shoulder blades, he should not be surprised. No, I don't see Tyrion living happily ever after as Lord of Casterly Rock, no more than Roose Bolton as Warden of the North.I don't think everyone in the Westerlands is that eager to defend Tywin Lannister. If Tyrion comes with Dany & they accept Dany as their queen they will have no problems with Tyrion having CR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the conquoring bastard25 Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 Thank you a grateful king (Aegon) or Queen (Dany) might see to possibilities that can come from pardoning Tyrion. SO its not that much of a stretch that Tyrion gets his lordship that is his by rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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