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''Aegon Targaryen conquered Westeros with DRAGONS''


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Asha Greyjoy is basically implying that Westeros is unconquerable unless you have Westerosi version of nukes?



Basically, whether it fAegon, Euron, or the Lannisters, they will never have complete control over the Seven Kingdoms, that the break up that the War of the Five Kings is either permanent or semi permanent, we are not going to have a united Seven Kingdoms unless dragons are involved.



Do you guys agree with Asha's statement?



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Nope, and Big Bob Baratheon would certainly take issue with that statement. Conquering for the Ironborn without Dragons would be impossible, since apparently they don't like land, don't fight like organised infantry and aren't a big fan of castles not accessible by boat.


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Pretty much.


Unless all the kingdoms choose to hold up the oaths they swore to Aegon I, there is no way to force them into a single entity. Especially regions like the North, the Vale and Dorne. They are protected by their respective geography.


Of course, all of that is moot if someone tries to reconquer them with dragons, like Euron supposedly intends to do.


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Nope, and Big Bob Baratheon would certainly take issue with that statement. Conquering for the Ironborn without Dragons would be impossible, since apparently they don't like land, don't fight like organised infantry and aren't a big fan of castles not accessible by boat.

Bob didn't conquer all the kingdoms. He merely usurped the Targaryen throne with the help of half of them.

And even if an argument can be made that he was a conquer, he was actively backed by 3 of the other kingdoms - two of which happen to be the most unconquerable regions of Westeros. The story would've gone much differently if he had to conquer the North and the Vale by force.

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As an invading force with no major allies, yes. So from the Ironborn perspective, yes.



Robert clearly showed it was possible to rule through force of personality and strategic marriage alliance though. Tywin(and Kevan, to a lesser extent) was well on his way to replicating this through Joffrey and later Tommen.

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Yep, maybe one kingdom would be dominant and have a Bretwalda as their king like they had in anglo-saxon England I could see the reach or even the North fulfilling that role.



Or maybe large sums dominated or control over other kingdoms by one kingdom, done properly and if the North had a fleet with alliances I could have seen the north conquered the westerlands and use its geography against them. Together with an with his aunt in the vale and his mother ties to the riverlands robb could have potentially controlled or be king of the entire westeros north of the blackwater. But that's in a perfect world where everything is in robbs favour. Or an independent reach may be able to conquer the stormlands and riverlands.


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Bob didn't conquer all the kingdoms. He merely usurped the Targaryen throne with the help of half of them.

And even if an argument can be made that he was a conquer, he was actively backed by 3 of the other kingdoms - two of which happen to be the most unconquerable regions of Westeros. The story would've gone much differently if he had to conquer the North and the Vale by force.

Yeah, this probably what Asha meant, some regions are simply unconquerable unless you have dragons.

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Asha's words can be taken both literally and figuratively. She could have just been pointing out that the odds were weighed heavily in Aegon's favor, and that to conquer seven kingdoms requires some kind of huge advantage no one seems to have (particularly the Ironborn).


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