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A new front in the war opens. Sweet Jesus :o

I think these people are all over the Internet, although oddly only one or two at the most per site, which is bearable. Shame we can't have guest browsing any more, otherwise I'd just direct them here.

Wert, that has to be a made-up response. Mystar might have written that, but I cannot believe there is that much blind fanaticism out there for Goodkind. Had that been real, I honestly picture the writer foaming at the mouth and screaming at the computer moniter. I also picture him/her to be around 13 or 14 years old and incredibly naive. Sorry to be off topic, but the poster had to be attempting humor.

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Richard paused. His head came up. Nadine was behind him. He had the oddest sensation.

The hair on the back of his neck stiffened.

Richard heard the air whine as he spun.

The world slowed. Sound dragged. He floated as he moved. The air felt as thick as mud. Everyone seemed a statue in his vision.

Time was his.

....The Matrix! *dies with laughter*

“Richard,†Nadine panted, “how did you catch that arrow? I hope you can understand that it gives me the creeps. Not that I’m complaining,†she was quick to add.

Creeps? Wait a minute, isn't this supposed to be set in a pseudo-'medieval' society? Creeps is very much an modern word, and its a crossbow bolt, I think, not an arrow....

“Tell the king that if they don’t surrender, and our men don’t return safely, I will personally ride into Sandilar at the head of an army and I will behead every member of the royal family. We will then conquer Jara and occupy the capital. The occupation will not be friendly.†<Peaceful terms indeed.>

Wow. Is this the same kingdom who had the leader who caught STD from the wife of another man? Or is this the one with the peace protestors?

Yeah? Well, maybe I've just seen to much bad porn, then, because I'm visualizing Richard forcing Time on it's knees and making it his Bitch. YMMV.

:rofl:

--Watcher

I guess I left out some stuff. After the attempt on Nadines life, Richard suspects something else, he believes that it is a ruse to make him think that healers are the target. So he appears to take guards off Kahlan to protect the healers. Kahlan is not in bed when Tristan comes in. She, like everybody else, is hiding and waiting to see what will happen. So when Tristan comes and tries to stab Kahlan, he's actually stabbing a nightdress stuffed with feathers or something. That's when Richard jumps out to say "Ah ha! Gotcha!".

OMG. People still use this old, stupid plot? I thought writers have grown more sophisticated than this. But that would be asking too much from TG.

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Terry Goodkind (may his Yeard protect him) is not a fantasy writer and can use any old plot line that he wants to. 'Cause he's not a fantasy writer. He's able to take any story and transform it into a glittering example of moral clarity. Anyone who disagrees is just jealous of his massive, unrelenting genius and his huge thing. In fact, they probably envy his ability to write realistic sex scenes. I despise people like you. Your total lack of personal freedom makes you seriously lacking in life.

Yeah.

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A new front in the war opens. Sweet Jesus :o

I think these people are all over the Internet, although oddly only one or two at the most per site, which is bearable. Shame we can't have guest browsing any more, otherwise I'd just direct them here.

That is the worst opinion I have EVER heard in my life! Richard Rahl is one of the most heroic and intelligent characters ever to be written in modern fantasy. And when you say he is fantasy's equivalent of Adolf Hitler, did you know that Terry Goodkind's Imperial Order(Rahl's enemy, and the great evil of the series) is based on communism and nazism? And FOR YOUR INFORMATION the characters are NOT one dimensional. Did you also know that Goodkind is loathed by critics because he attacks communism and fascism in his books???? Obviously not! Goodkind is not only THE best author since Ayn Rand, He is also one of the smartest human beings on this earth!

Terry Goodkind's style and skill goes completely unrivaled.

And this, children, is why America fails.

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Wert, that has to be a made-up response. Mystar might have written that, but I cannot believe there is that much blind fanaticism out there for Goodkind. Had that been real, I honestly picture the writer foaming at the mouth and screaming at the computer moniter. I also picture him/her to be around 13 or 14 years old and incredibly naive. Sorry to be off topic, but the poster had to be attempting humor.

While it would be nice to believe that there aren't multiple people out there that actually buy into Goodkind's stuff lock, stock and barrel, it doesn't seem to be the case. Remember, as much as we might not want trouble to visit innocent people, we have no say in the matter. For example, here is a post on mystars forums, re: the new cover art:

I can understand how the art being changed to conceptional (is that like your word Mystar lol) makes sense. Hasn't TG always had more than fantasy happening here and hasn't he always drawn people in nor for the swish swish clang clang, but the actual thoughts of philosophy, econonics, politics, etc. I think that has what really made these books more unique. Anyone can make up dragons and wizards and have umpteen books like D & D or Dune, or add romance/horror (or attempts of such) George RR Martin, Robert Jordan, but none have been able to pull all those elements together and add the thought provoking side/inspirational (wheteher you agree with his vies or not) in an educated and believable way (the exception being POC BLEH, drop her and the goat off a cliff lol). I hated the cover with the sister of the dark and the red dragon thingy. Gag. It looked so much like nerdy D & D when it is soooooo much more than that. On the other hand, there have been certain covers with a sense of power to them like FotF or SoT that I truly enjoyed.

I mean, wow. What really is there to say about this? At least they don't seem to like the goat.

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Gee, thanks Wert - I had to go up and register at freakin' Dragonmount after reading that entire thread, because the original poster actually had a fairly decent list and I felt like giving mine :P Oh, but don't you worry, there was also a G--dk-ind (BBNC) reference for those in the know...enjoy?

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Whether or not you agree with other people about TG's "vies" on "econonics", I think we can all agree that he is as a fungus that grows in between the dead toes of Ayn Rand. I personally believe that melding philosophy into a story may require a bit of authorship, and not the club that certain authors with their names in the thread title wield. Think Bakker: at least the philosophical points are presented as part of a character, and not some 9 page speech that comes out of nowhere.

Oh, wait...I forgot that anyone who once bought TG's (Shite Be His Name, I refuse to praise him even in the most sarcastic of manners) books (thus providing him with enough cash to buy premium Yeard grooming products) hate the fact that he can make novels. Yes, we hate it that he can express himself like a flatulent obese lady screaming for more chicken wings. "I DEMAND THAT YOU BELIEVE WHAT I SAY! AND WHAT I SAY IS THAT MY STOMACH NEEDS MORE GREASY POULTRY PIECES!" Just substitute anything about chicken wings with "my view of the world" and stomach as "everyone else", and it makes perfect sense.

Honestly, that was the first time I'd read that entire interview...and it sort of strikes me that TG may be one of those pop-psychologist wannabe douchebags that manage to surround themselves with the uneducated, who really enjoy what he's saying because they really have no idea what it is to maybe have your own thought. And after reading SoT, they pick up a fantasy book that doesn't try and beat them over the head about how they should live their lives, and end up not liking it because, they are in fact, mental defects. Among my acquainances who like(d) this series, no one I can find is willing to defend it much beyond "I liked it up to Faith of the Fallen, but then, damn...". Which sort of makes it this sort of Bible for people that the Bible did not have enough torture and rape in, along with some magic (which, by the way, is not a sidebar: TG uses magic to paint Richard out of corners pretty much every single book).

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While it would be nice to believe that there aren't multiple people out there that actually buy into Goodkind's stuff lock, stock and barrel, it doesn't seem to be the case. Remember, as much as we might not want trouble to visit innocent people, we have no say in the matter.

I know people buy into it, and that is fine. Everyone is entitled to their own likes/dislikes. But his post is just too over-the-top. I enjoy GRRM's books enough that I found a forum to join online and post in it pretty much daily. I think he is an incredibly talented writer, but having never met him, I have no idea if he is one of the smartest people on the planet. And it would be almost impossible to miss the parallels with communism/fascism in SOT, the writer of that post had to be joking when he tried to lord that bit of information over our own Wert. There is no way anyone over the age of 13 could have written that post with any degree of seriousness.

Of course...people do choose to read TG... :unsure:

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That is the worst opinion I have EVER heard in my life! Richard Rahl is one of the most heroic and intelligent characters ever to be written in modern fantasy. And when you say he is fantasy's equivalent of Adolf Hitler, did you know that Terry Goodkind's Imperial Order(Rahl's enemy, and the great evil of the series) is based on communism and nazism? And FOR YOUR INFORMATION the characters are NOT one dimensional. Did you also know that Goodkind is loathed by critics because he attacks communism and fascism in his books???? Obviously not! Goodkind is not only THE best author since Ayn Rand, He is also one of the smartest human beings on this earth!

Terry Goodkind's style and skill goes completely unrivaled.

Do we have demographic statistics on what ages are the people who buy and are fans of Goodkind? This sounds like this has been posted by some petulant kid.

How can someone who decides to slaughter innocent civilians, peace protestors, and condones it be a hero? How can someone be intelligent and wage a guerilla war on enemy soil, against an army bigger than his?

Of course TG (BBNC) style and skill are unparalled. No author comes close when in comes to inanity and absolute ridiculousness in prose and plot.

1. Lack of prose, grammar, and style consistency: Old speech in one dialogue, modern in the next one. Misuse of words. Repetitive use of words when you can use a similar word.

2. Descriptions: Can be to little or too much. Almost gratitious description when it comes to violence and sex, too much tell and not enough show.

3. Explanation: too little or too much. We get a 3 page or so explanation on why Richard must do this and that or why the Imperial order is evil, but we also get 'I'm a wizard, remember," explanations as well.

When I first started reading SoT, I liked some of the concepts TG showed (like the bit about Kahlan's powera and the hair as status symbol). But as I went to read the next pages, I gave up and skipped to the last page, so I could just get over the torture of it. (I liked the chicken as not a chicken bit, too, looked like a promising element, but it went to the crapper soon enough).

I don't know much about objectivism, but it seems to me that it is a philosophy that objects to all ideas that does not correspond to their own, and objectifies their human opponents/critics so as to make them non-human, which justifies any act of violence against them. If you are not with us, you're not human, you're an obeject, so it's okay if I kick you in the jaw and slaughter your family."

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:( Sorry lightsnake. I think they're all pretty appalling. Have you checked out the other threads? I think the BotF QOTD one would count as the worst dictator acts, given that he had a captive audience.

mr nobuddy, i just felt like throwing it in there, sorry. Besides, if getting a furry dinosaur thing on your side to intimidate a bunch of diplomats at dinner isnt the action of a forward thinking tyrant, what is?

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mr nobuddy, i just felt like throwing it in there, sorry. Besides, if getting a furry dinosaur thing on your side to intimidate a bunch of diplomats at dinner isnt the action of a forward thinking tyrant, what is?

Sorry, misinterpreted it. You're right, though.

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