Theories: the plausibility index

[Winds of Winter blow cold]

Could someone please tell me what the Theon Durden theory is?

[HoboJed]

Could someone please tell me what the Theon Durden theory is?

It's the theory that the Hooded Man of Winterfell is actually a split personality of Theon's, and that Theon (whilst under the control of that personality) is the one who has been going around killing people.

[Ingelheim]

Could someone please tell me what the Theon Durden theory is?

Have you ever seen Fight Club? Theon Durden would be like Tyler Durden; a split personality born of mental disorder. Theon would be the one killing the guys, but the actual Theon woudln't remember it.

[Lady Blizzardborn]

R+L=J = 9.5

The Great Northern Conspiracy = 7

fAegon is a Blackfyre = 6

Cersei and Jaime are secret Targs = 4

Tyrion is a secret Targ = 5

Varys is a Blackfyre = 4 (Brightflame is more likely)

Coldhands is the Night's King = 7

Gravedigging Hound = 10

Robet Strong is the Mountain = 8

Jojen Paste = 1 (app debunked this AFAIK)

The Green Grace is the Harpy = 8

Septa Lemore is Ashara Dayne = 2

Missaindei is a Faceless Man = sadly, 6

Oberyn poisoned Tywin = 8

Jeyne is pregnant with the heir to the North = 2

Euron hired a Faceless Man to kill Balon = 10

The Faceless Men are responsible for the Doom = 8

Theon Durden = 7

Lyanna was the Knight of the Laughing Tree = 9

Alleras = Sarella = 10

Howland Reed = the High Sparrow = 4

[sj4iy]

R+L=J - 10 (I pretty much consider it canon at this point)
The Great Northern Conspiracy - 5
fAegon is a Blackfyre - 8
Cersei and Jaime are secret Targs - 0
Tyrion is a secret Targ - 0
Varys is a Blackfyre - 3 (never even heard of this)
Coldhands is the Night's King - 1
Gravedigging Hound - 9
Robet Strong is the Mountain - 10
Jojen Paste - 2
The Green Grace is the Harpy - 5
Septa Lemore is Ashara Dayne - 1
Missaindei is a Faceless Man - 2
Oberyn poisoned Tywin - 9
Jeyne is pregnant with the heir to the North - 1
Euron hired a Faceless Man to kill Balon - 5
The Faceless Men are responsible for the Doom - (no clue)
Theon Durden - 1
Lyanna was the Knight of the Laughing Tree - 5
Alleras = Sarella - 9
Howland Reed = the High Sparrow - 4

[Arya Havinfun]

R+L=J 8

The Great Northern Conspiracy 7

fAegon is a Blackfyre 8

Cersei and Jaime are secret Targs 6

Tyrion is a secret Targ 8

Varys is a Blackfyre 7

Coldhands is the Night's King 0

Gravedigging Hound 10

Robert Strong is the Mountain 10

Jojen Paste 0

The Green Grace is the Harpy 4

Septa Lemore is Ashara Dayne 2

Missaindei is a Faceless Man 0

Oberyn poisoned Tywin 3

Jeyne is pregnant with the heir to the North 1

Euron hired a Faceless Man to kill Balon 1

The Faceless Men are responsible for the Doom 0

Theon Durden 7

Lyanna was the Knight of the Laughing Tree 9

Alleras = Sarella 10

Howland Reed = the High Sparrow 0

[Arya Havinfun]

Jojen Paste : 6 This theory gained some strength after S04 of the show... :(

How is that possible? Show!Jojen got killed with Leaf's fireball before they ever got into the cave!

[Ser Greg of House House]

Have you ever seen Fight Club? Theon Durden would be like Tyler Durden; a split personality born of mental disorder. Theon would be the one killing the guys, but the actual Theon woudln't remember it.

Oh, I was thinking about the shorter version. Theon imagined the Hooded Man and that should be it. I don't think Theon is killing anyone. I'd have to rate that lower...

[Ingelheim]

How is that possible? Show!Jojen got killed with Leaf's fireball before they ever got into the cave!

It's the fact that he's dead, not how he died. The fact that he's dead means he'll probably die in the books (something we pretty much knew), but it adds consistency to the Jojen Paste theory.

[Ser Greg of House House]

How is that possible? Show!Jojen got killed with Leaf's fireball before they ever got into the cave!

If Jojen got killed before he went into the cave I think it does help Jojenpaste. D&D would never make a child eat his friend on TV. The fact that they come up with a totally random a different death makes me think they're replacing a death that they would rather not show. But of course, it doesn't prove anything. They've changed stuff before.

ps. CoTF are shooting fireballs? Really? Where can I find a pic of CoTF on the show?

[Ingelheim]

Oh, I was thinking about the shorter version. Theon imagined the Hooded Man and that should be it. I don't think Theon is killing anyone. I'd have to rate that lower...

Yeah, it's pretty much the two of them combined. The complete theory would be:

-The Hooded Man doesn't exist. It's some kind of Tyler Durden. Theon is the only one who saw him.

-Theon IS, in fact, the one killing them. And he doesn't remember that because of his mental disorder.

[Arya Havinfun]

It's the fact that he's dead, not how he died. The fact that he's dead means he'll probably die in the books (something we pretty much knew), but it adds consistency to the Jojen Paste theory.

Ick... beurre manié might add a bit of consistency to Jojen paste, but not random fireballs. :ack:

[Arya Havinfun]

If Jojen got killed before he went into the cave I think it does help Jojenpaste. D&D would never make a child eat his friend on TV. The fact that they come up with a totally random a different death makes me think they're replacing a death that they would rather not show. But of course, it doesn't prove anything. They've changed stuff before.

ps. CoTF are shooting fireballs? Really? Where can I find a pic of CoTF on the show?

Don't have a still shot, but here's a link to video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijN_IHNbaMI

and I was wrong about Jojen being killed by a fireball, he was given 'mercy' by Meera because he couldn't escape the attacking wights who had already disabled him. The fireball was used to keep him from rising.

[Brahood Witout Manners]

R+L=J - 10

The Great Northern Conspiracy - 9

fAegon is a Blackfyre - 5 ( I'm using 5 as "I have no bleeping idea. Could go either way".)

Cersei and Jaime are secret Targs - 2

Tyrion is a secret Targ - 2

Varys is a Blackfyre - 9

Coldhands is the Night's King - 5

Gravedigging Hound - 9. Just makes sense.

Robet Strong is the Mountain - 10

Jojen Paste - 9 (You can't tell me the show didn't make this just a bit more plausible. I know show is not cannon, but c'mon.)

The Green Grace is the Harpy - I DONT CARE

Septa Lemore is Ashara Dayne - 5

Missaindei is a Faceless Man - 5 (I'd love for this to be true.)

Oberyn poisoned Tywin - 5 (I hope so)

Jeyne is pregnant with the heir to the North - 9 (Fo shizzle)

Euron hired a Faceless Man to kill Balon - 9 (But does it really matter??)

The Faceless Men are responsible for the Doom - 2 (Just not enough evidence.)

Theon Durden - 10

Lyanna was the Knight of the Laughing Tree - 5 (Can't wait to find out)

Alleras = Sarella - 8 (Probs)

Lots of 5s...

[Zoravar Singh]

R+L=J=9

The Great Northern Conspiracy=7

fAegon is a Blackfyre=3 ( although 5 for f Aegon is a fake)

Cersei and Jaime are secret Targs=0

Tyrion is a secret Targ=1

Varys is a Blackfyre=2

Coldhands is the Night's King=3

Gravedigging Hound=9

Robet Strong is the Mountain=8

Jojen Paste=Never heard of it

The Green Grace is the Harpy=7

Septa Lemore is Ashara Dayne=4

Missaindei is a Faceless Man=4

Oberyn poisoned Tywin=6

Jeyne is pregnant with the heir to the North=0

Euron hired a Faceless Man to kill Balon=9

The Faceless Men are responsible for the Doom=6

Theon Durden=Never heard

Lyanna was the Knight of the Laughing Tree=4

Alleras = Sarella =9

Howland Reed = the High Sparrow =6

[Bearclaw]

R+L=J= 10

The Great Northern Conspiracy= 3

fAegon is a Blackfyre= 2 (don't really care)

Cersei and Jaime are secret Targs= 0

Tyrion is a secret Targ= 1

Varys is a Blackfyre= 1

Coldhands is the Night's King= 1

Gravedigging Hound= 5 (I hope not)

Robet Strong is the Mountain= 10

Jojen Paste= 1

The Green Grace is the Harpy= 4

Septa Lemore is Ashara Dayne= 1

Missaindei is a Faceless Man= 1 (isn't she 8 years old? Who was her target? Dany took her on an impulse)

Oberyn poisoned Tywin= 7

Jeyne is pregnant with the heir to the North= 2

Euron hired a Faceless Man to kill Balon= 7

The Faceless Men are responsible for the Doom= 2

Theon Durden= 1

Lyanna was the Knight of the Laughing Tree= 6

Alleras = Sarella = 9

Howland Reed = the High Sparrow = 2

[Sword of the Morgan]

R+L=J = 9

The Great Northern Conspiracy = 7

fAegon is a Blackfyre = 8

Cersei and Jaime are secret Targs = 2

Tyrion is a secret Targ = 2

Varys is a Blackfyre = 1

Coldhands is the Night's King = 1

Gravedigging Hound = 10

Robet Strong is the Mountain = 9

Jojen Paste = 1

The Green Grace is the Harpy = 4

Septa Lemore is Ashara Dayne = 3

Missaindei is a Faceless Man = 1

Oberyn poisoned Tywin = 5

Jeyne is pregnant with the heir to the North = 1

Euron hired a Faceless Man to kill Balon = 10

The Faceless Men are responsible for the Doom = 9

Theon Durden = 3

Lyanna was the Knight of the Laughing Tree = 3

Alleras = Sarella = 10

Howland Reed High Septon = 4

[Winds of Winter blow cold]

It's the theory that the Hooded Man of Winterfell is actually a split personality of Theon's, and that Theon (whilst under the control of that personality) is the one who has been going around killing people.

Have you ever seen Fight Club? Theon Durden would be like Tyler Durden; a split personality born of mental disorder. Theon would be the one killing the guys, but the actual Theon woudln't remember it.

Crap! Give it a big fat ZERO!

[bent branch]

R+L=J: 10

The Great Northern Conspiracy: 5, although it's hard to give this any kind of score since it seems GNC means different things to different people.

fAegon is a Blackfyre: 2

Cersei and Jaime are secret Targs:2

Tyrion is a secret Targ: 8

Varys is a Blackfyre: 1, if Varys is anything he is a Targaryen.

Coldhands is the Night's King: 1

Gravedigging Hound: 10

Robet Strong is the Mountain: 10

Jojen Paste: 2

The Green Grace is the Harpy: 5, if the Harpy is an actual single person rather than a group of people, then it is most probably the Green Grace.

Septa Lemore is Ashara Dayne: 9, I believe all the people surrounding Aegon with be proven Targaryen loyalists. Ashara is the best woman for this.

Missaindei is a Faceless Man: 1

Oberyn poisoned Tywin: 1, how would this ever be proven?

Jeyne is pregnant with the heir to the North: 2, if she is, then she is dead.

Euron hired a Faceless Man to kill Balon: 10

The Faceless Men are responsible for the Doom: 1, how would this impact the story we are currently being told?

Theon Durden: 1, there is no way this could ever be revealed so it is not what happened.

Lyanna was the Knight of the Laughing Tree: 10

Alleras = Sarella: 10

Howland Reed = the High Sparrow: 1, I attribute this one to people being bored waiting for the next book.

[Hippocras]

9.9999:

R+L=J

Euron hired a Faceless Man to kill Balon

Alleras = Sarella

Gravedigging Hound

Robet Strong is the Mountain

8 (very modest doubts):

Lyanna was the Knight of the Laughing Tree

fAegon is a Blackfyre

6-7 (good theories with a few holes):

The Great Northern Conspiracy

Tyrion is a secret Targ

The Green Grace is the Harpy

Septa Lemore is Ashara Dayne

Varys is a Blackfyre

4-5 (sure, I suppose it is possible):

Cersei and Jaime are secret Targs (only if Tyrion is, from common ancestor: Plumm?)

Missaindei is a Faceless Man (not yet, but like Pate, it is a future possibility)

The Faceless Men are responsible for the Doom (it's more likely IMO that dragon wars are)

1-2 (I think it's completely ridiculous):

Coldhands is the Night's King

Jojen Paste (the paste was weirwood paste, nothing else)

Oberyn poisoned Tywin (Doran said he wanted to destroy everything Tywin held dear before killing him, so poisoning him right then would not serve the Dornish purpose)

Jeyne is pregnant with the heir to the North (we were specifically told that she was given Moon tea and told it was something to help her conceive when it was actually to block her from conceiving. So she can't be pregnant)

Theon Durden (why?)

Howland Reed = the High Sparrow (why?)