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Howland Reed = High Septon 2.0

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(Disclaimer: Stubby has given me permission to generate the new iteration of this thread. As such, I want to ensure this topic isn't permanently closed. Please help by keeping negative comments aside. Furthermore, criticisms are just as important as the theory itself, so there will be a post immediately following the theory to highlight each argument against. I encourage you to bring the holes to my attention, so they can be listed in the aforementioned adjoining post.)



Theory



Howland Reed is posing as the new High Septon.



Motive



To supplant the Lannister rule, avenge the Starks, and position Jon as King.



In the twilight of his campaign, Robb made his thoughts clear on who he planned to succeed him:



“Mother.” There was a sharpness in Robb’s tone. “You forget. My father had four sons.”


They argue about Jon, and Catelyn realizes:



He is set on this.


They continue to argue over inheritance laws and precedent, when Robb finally says:



Jon is the only brother that remains to me. Should I die without issue, I want him to succeed me as King in the North.


And so he has decided. Later, Robb declares his intentions to his bannermen:




“One more matter... I’ve thought long and hard about who might follow me. I command you now as my true and loyal lords to fix your seals to this document as witnesses to my decision.”


A king indeed, Catelyn thought, defeated.




Robb’s bannermen bear witness to the naming of Jon as heir, as Catelyn feels notably defeated.



During this same meeting, Robb commands Maege Mormont and Galbart Glover, two of his most loyal bannermen, to travel up the Neck:



“Go upriver flying my banner. The crannogmen will find you. I want two ships to double the chances of my message reaching Howland Reed. Lady Maege shall go on one, Galbart on the second.”


Shortly after, Robb and his host are murdered, and his two remaining faithful bannermen (with their knowledge of the heir apparent; Jon), go missing into the Neck…



“But they will not fail. My father knew the worth of Howland Reed.”

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The “Faithful” Northmen



Roughly two months (11/23/299 - 1/28/300) after the Northern parties go missing, Brienne and her company travel North to Duskendale. Along the way, they encounter a suspicious band of armed and bearded Sparrows:



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A group of begging brothers led the way, scruffy bearded men…



Several of the men had axes, and more had crude wooden clubs and cudgels.




Interestingly, there are only three characters who address Brienne and her hedge knights:



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“Poor fellows,” said a big man with an axe. Despite the chill of the autumnal wood, he was


shirtless...



“We are marching to the city,” said a tall woman in the traces of the wayn…



“Join us, friends,” urged a spare small man in a threadbare septon’s robe...




It is my impression that these three distinct characters represent the missing Northern bannermen: House Glover, House Mormont, and House Reed.




- Axes that fit like a Glove'r



The axe is a choice weapon among the North. So much so, there are even certain Houses which brandish an axe as their sigil i.e. House Dustin, House Cerwyn - no other House bears a sigil of an axe.



The home of House Glover is situated in the Wolfswood; it is, undoubtedly, surrounded by more trees than any other House in the entire story. In fact, the Glovers’ are so beset by trees, they crafted their seat from them - Deepwood Motte.



As such, it stands to reason that these hairy, lumberjack-esque, northerners would prefer axes as weapons.



Interestingly, many of these sparrows favor axes:



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Several of the men had axes



We encountered ruffians on the road as well. Filthy, unkempt creatures, with leather shields and axes...”


“They call themselves sparrows...”



She had only two knights amidst a sea of sparrows. She saw staves and scythes, cudgels and clubs, several axes.



Some had spears and some had longswords. More favored axes



… the sparrows came pouring into the Great Sept with their leader on their shoulders and their axes in their hands.



“Your sparrows have clubs and axes…”



The Poor Fellows ... Begging brothers of a sort, though they carried axes instead of bowls.



And mingled in with them were the Poor Fellows, filthy, unshaven creatures armed with spears and axes.




When Jaime visits his cousin, Lancel, he sees many of these same bearded sparrows occupying Castle Darry:



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A dozen bearded men with axes stood guard...



There were axes in evidence as well, and he spied several bearded men with red, seven-pointed stars sewn onto ragged, filthy tunics. More bloody sparrows. Where do they all come from?



Jaime glanced about the yard, at the bearded faces of the sparrows. Too many.



Three sparrows sat upon its steps. When Jaime approached, they rose. “Where you going, m’lord?” asked one. He was the smallest of the three, but he had the biggest beard.



“... you can’t go in unless his lordship says you can.” She hefted a spiked club, and the small man raised an axe.




So, I think it’s safe to say these “sparrows”, have similarly shaggy beards and carry axes as often as any northmen. Speaking of which, let’s draw our attention back to the big, axe-wielding man Brienne makes note of:



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a big man with an axe. Despite the chill of the autumnal wood, he was shirtless


Despite the noted chill of the woods, this man is walking around shirtless - suggestive of a northman; being resilient to the cold.



During the exchange between the sparrows and Brienne’s company, Duskendale is mentioned, and the sparrows, the big one in particular, have an unreasonably angry reaction:



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“We are bound for Duskendale,” Ser Illifer said flatly.



One of the begging brothers spat, and a woman gave a moan. “You are false knights,” said the big man with the star carved on his chest. Several others brandished their cudgels.




Why so serious? Well:



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(Robb) shook his head, bewildered. “A third of my foot, lost for Duskendale?”


“... the Lannisters hold my brother,” Galbart Glover said, in a voice thick with despair. Robett Glover had survived the battle, but had been captured near the kingsroad not long after.




These bearded “sparrows”, who wear ragged clothes and armor, favor axes, and harbor an unexplained rancor for Duskendale, seem awfully suspicious... don’t they?



If Galbart Glover took his men south, with Howland and Maege, these suspicious sparrow traits would definitely match his unaccounted party.



Speaking of Maege...




- The unBEARable Septas



Catelyn: “You are braver than I am, I fear. Are all your Bear Island women such warriors?”


Maege: “She-bears, aye...”



In Cersei’s mad attempt to flee the Sept of Baelor, she is captured by a group of suspiciously strong septas:



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She ran as far as the sept, but no farther. There were women waiting for her there, more septas...



but the septas … were stronger than they looked.




“Stronger than they looked”? That sounds familiar:



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We are stronger than we seem, my lady,” Lady Maege Mormont said...


After Cersei’s capture, she is held in confinement, with three of these deceptively strong septas as her gaolers:



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Septa Unella was big-boned and mannish, with callused hands and homely, scowling features.



Septa Scolera was thick-waisted and short, with heavy breasts, olive skin, and a sour smell to her, like milk on the verge of going bad.



Septa Moelle had stiff white hair and small mean eyes perpetually crinkled in suspicion, peering out of a wrinkled face as sharp as the blade of an axe.




Interestingly, these septas share some striking similarities to some other She-Bears:



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(Dacey) was tall and lean, (Maege) short and stout...



Her proper name was Alysane of House Mormont, but she wore the other name as easily as she wore her mail. Short, chunky, muscular, the heir to Bear Island had big thighs, big breasts, and big hands ridged with callus.




Let’s list and compare these traits straight from the text:



She-Bears:



- short


- stout


- chunky


- muscular


- big breasts


- big hands ridged with callus



Cersei’s Septas:



- short


- thick-waisted


- big-boned


- mannish


- heavy breast


- callused hands



However, aside from these glaring similarities, there is one unifying parallel of these septas which cements them as She-Bears - the She-Bear carving on the gates of Mormont Keep:



Dacey: “There’s a carving on our gate”



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“A woman in a bearskin…”


Septa Unella ... with callused hands and homely, scowling featureswould growl when she shook the queen awake.



“... with a child in one arm suckling at her breast…”


Septa Scolera ... a sour smell to her, like milk on the verge of going bad.



“... In the other hand she holds a battleaxe.”


Septa Moelle ... a wrinkled face as sharp as the blade of an axe.




Interestingly, we have seen other female captives accompanied by a She-Bear. Examining them more thoroughly, we can see a pattern develop:



A female captive (Catelyn) is kept in the company of She-Bears (Maege, Dacey)



A female captive (Asha) is kept in the company of a She-Bear (Alysane)



But what about when the captive is a male, or better yet, a male lion? In ADwD, we are given the possibility of this interesting parallel:



A male lion captive (Tyrion) is kept in the company of a He-Bear (Jorah)



A female lion captive (Cersei) is kept in the company of ____________



Fill in the blank ;)



Asha’s description of Alysane:


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Even in sleep (Alysane) wore ringmail under her furs, boiled leather under that


Cersei thinks this of Septa Moelle:


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This one still has her maidenhead, I’ll wager, Cersei thought, though by now it’s hard and stiff as boiled leather.


Aero Hotah thinks about the day he was branded:



Keep your longaxe sharp, the bearded priests had told him, the day they branded him ... He could still recall the sounds of the three bells, the way that Noom’s deep peals set his very bones to shuddering, ... when they went to see the bears dance down the Sinner’s Steps.



Septa Unella stepped forward. “A sinner comes before you,” she declared.



She had to move. Naked, shorn, barefoot, Cersei made a slow descent down the broad marble steps ... Septa Unella, Septa Scolera, and Septa Moelle followed.



Septa Scolera rang her bell, singing, “Shame, shame, shame upon the sinner, shame, shame.”



“Shame, shame, shame on the sinner,” chanted the septas ... Bells were ringing, ringing, ringing.

(credit: Lady Arya's Song)



- Where there's a Wells, there's a way



On Cersei’s second visit with the new High Septon, she is escorted into the Sept by a certain person of interest:



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“His High Holiness has been expecting you. I am Ser Theodan the True, formerly Ser Theodan Wells.”



Their captain knelt before her. “Perhaps Your Grace will recall me. I am Ser Theodan the True.”




Theodan Wells, of House Wells, sworn to the North. Funny that a northman has risen to such a prominent position as captain of the Warrior's Sons.


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High Septon Howland - Reed'ing between the lines



(The crannogmen) were a cowardly people ... and preferred to hide from foes rather than face them in open battle.


We come now to the centerpiece character of this theory: Howland Reed



Before we contrast him to the High Septon, let’s first explore everything we definitively know about Howland Reed:



- Howland is the Lord of Greywater Watch


- Howland is a crannogman (people renowned for deceptive combat)


- Howland is short


- Howland is brave


- Howland was one of Ned’s most trusted bannermen


- Howland survived the Battle at the Tower of Joy with Ned


- Howland saved Ned from Arthur Dayne


- Howland has two children: Meera and Jojen


- Howland has a wife: Jyana


- Howland is “grown to manhood” when he departs for the Tourney at Harrenhal (19yrs ago)


- Howland is referred to as “my father’s man” by Lyanna (19 years ago)


- Howland prays to the Old Gods


- Howland is in his 30's



Now, let’s take a look at this High Sparrow:



The High Sparrow is the leader of these, bearded, axe-wielding, cold-resilient sparrows. We first see him in Brienne’s travel to Duskendale. Here is how she describes him:




… a spare small man …



The septon had a lean sharp face and a short beard, grizzled grey and brown. His thin hair was pulled back and knotted behind his head...




His, at one point, brown hair is “knotted behind his head



There’s only one other person ever mentioned to have brown hair tied in this fashion: Meera



Though near Robb’s age, she was slim as a boy, with long brown hair knotted behind her head


The High Sparrow explains to Brienne and her party:



“Septs have been despoiled, maidens and mothers raped by godless men and demon worshipers. Even silent sisters have been molested. Our Mother Above cries out in her anguish. It is time for all anointed knights to forsake their worldly masters and defend our Holy Faith.”


This “small man” is appealing to Brienne’s party to help defend the weak and helpless.



This sounds familiar to Meera and Jojen’s pledge to Bran:



“Grant mercy to our weak, help to our helpless, and justice to all, and we shall never fail you.”


Later, this “small man” forcibly takes the new position of High Septon, as Cersei notes:



… Septon Luceon had been nine votes from elevation when those doors had given way, and the sparrows came pouring into the Great Sept with their leader on their shoulders and their axes in their hands.


The new High Septon sets up residence in the Sept of Baelor, and refuses to leave. As such, Cersei is forced to come to him:




“This is absurd.”



“It is, Your Grace,” Lady Merryweather agreed. “The High Septon should have come to you.




Upon meeting the new High Septon, Cersei is again forced into his terms:



When he knelt before the altar, she had no choice but to kneel beside him … It would seem they must confer upon their knees. A small man’s ploy, she thought…


This is important to note. Not only is she highlighting the High Septon’s cunning, but this small man is once again making Cersei do what he wants.



Cersei notes his features:



His face was sharply pointed, with deep-set eyes as brown as mud.


Now, Jojen has green eyes. But, as we’ve seen in Ned and Robb, or Rhaegar and Jon, eye color isn’t necessarily an indicator of parentage. However, the way in which the eyes are described is very similar:



The High Septon has eyes as brown as mud



Jojen’s, twice described, “eyes were the color of moss



In both cases, a simile is used to describe the eyes as things one would find in the Neck: Mud and Moss



A couple more earthy descriptions of the High Septon:




his feet were bare and black, gnarled and hard as tree roots.



“ … this new (High Septon) was born with filth beneath his fingernails.”




Cersei is notably disgusted with the High Septon’s filthy appearance and filthy followers:




“Have you seen what they have done to Blessed Baelor’s statue? They befoul the plaza with their pigs and goats and night soil.”



Night soil can be washed away more easily than blood, Your Grace. If the plaza was befouled, it was befouled by the execution that was done here.”



He dares throw Ned Stark in my face?




The High Septon emphasizes how terrible Ned’s murder was - it is worse than shitting over the entire plaza. Sentiments of a bitter friend, perhaps?



During their meeting, Cersei questions why the High Septon has refused to bless Tommen:




“Your Grace is mistaken. We have not refused.”



“You have not come.”



“The hour is not yet ripe.”



Are you a priest or a greengrocer?




Cersei can’t seem to budge the High Septon as he, ever so slyly, pushes Cersei into a conversation about re-establishing the Faith Militant:




“Maegor’s laws—”



“—could be undone.” She let that hang there, waiting for the High Sparrow to rise to the bait.



He did not disappoint her. “The Faith Militant reborn . . . that would be the answer to three hundred years of prayer, Your Grace.




So, from their first meeting, the High Septon has forced Cersei’s hand three different times:



- He gets her to come to the Sept


- He gets her to confer on her knees


- He gets her to give him massive power by re-establishing the Faith Militant



And he achieves each of these by simply being unwilling to move.


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- Hermit's Hole and Religions Crossed



Interestingly, there was another septon once, who took up residence in a similarly described sept:



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“It is called the Hermit’s Hole. The first holy man to find his way here lived therein, and worked such wonders that others came to join him.”



Hermit’s Hole had been a damp, dark place, floored with dirt and echoing to the sounds of dripping water




Inside the Sept of Baelor, Cersei notes other septons:



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They had pails of soap and water, and were scrubbing at the floor.



The queen knew that she should kneel, but the floor was wet with soap and dirty water



“Is this how you greet me? With a scrub brush in your hand, dripping water?”




After their meeting, the Faith Militant is born again. Cersei’s plot to frame Margery goes underway, but again the High Septon remains unmoved. When called to court to answer for abducting Margery, the High Septon instead sends the She-Bear-like septa, Moelle - with armed guards, no less.



When Osfryd Kettleback asks if he should clear the crowd gathering to protest Margery’s imprisoment, Cersei answers:



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“No. Let them shout until they’re hoarse, it will not sway the Sparrow. He only listens to the gods.”


“Only listens to the old gods”? Seems similar to:



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but before (Howland) slept he knelt on the lakeshore, looking across the water to where the Isle of Faces would be, and said a prayer to the old gods of north and Neck . . .”


After meeting with Margery, Cersei finds the High Septon in a curious place.



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She found the High Septon waiting for her in a small seven-sided audience chamber. The faces of the Seven had been carved into the walls. Cersei thought the carvings crude and ugly, but there was a certain power to them, especially about the eyes … that somehow made the faces come alive.


Let’s compare this room, line by line, to the aforementioned similar sept, “Hermit’s Hole”



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The room was sparse and plain, with bare stone walls, a rough-hewn table, three chairs, and a prayer bench.


The furnishings were strange but simple; a long table, a settle, a chest, several tall cases full of books, and chairs.



The faces of the Seven had been carved into the walls.


wide doors carved with likenesses of the Mother and the Father




Cersei take close note to these strange faces on the wall. Calling them “crude” and “ugly”; saying that the eyes had “power” which made “the faces come alive”. Sound familiar?



You guessed it, weirwoods.



As Cersei prepares to leave, she is given a very cold response:



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No,” said the High Septon. It was only a word, one little word, but to Cersei it felt like a splash of icy water in the face.



Cersei could feel the eyes of the Seven staring at hera sudden shiver of fear went through her, cold as ice.




Any other guilty parties noted to feel cold in the eyes of the Gods? Sure:



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Varamyr could see the weirwood’s red eyes staring down at him from the white trunk. The gods are weighing me. A shiver went through him.


But, why is GRRM calling our attention to weirwoods intermingling with The Faith? Well:



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The High Septon walked slowly, leaning on a weirwood staff topped by a crystal orb.


As you can see from the imagery, beneath the crystal orb of The Faith, lies a weirwood "stick" of the Old Gods.



Howland, posing as the High Septon, would be hiding beneath the guise of The Faith, and twice described as “thin as a broom” or as thin as a "stick" ;)



So, if Howland is the High Septon, and his purpose is to dethrone the current rulers and establish Jon as the new king, we see a massively strong parallel to the massive turtle Tyrion witnesses on the Rhyone:



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It was another turtle, a horned turtle of enormous size, its dark green shell mottled with brown and overgrown with water moss and crusty black river molluscs.



We are blessed,” Ysilla was crying loudly, as tears streamed down her face. “We are blessed, we are blessed.”



“It was him,” cried Yandry. “The Old Man of the River.



And why not? Tyrion grinned. Gods and wonders always appear, to attend the birth of kings.



(credit: Lady Arya's Song)



As Howland (The Old Man of the River) attended the birth of the King (Jon).



When Jaime is traveling the Riverlands, he makes camp, and some of his mean are "play-fighting" with some women:



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Jaime bet a copper star on the blonde girl riding Raff the Sweetling, and lost it when the two of them went down splashing amongst the reeds. Across the river wolves were howling...


Cersei (the blonde girl) will use UnGregor (Raff the Sweetling), but lose when the two of them are defeated by Howland Reed (splashing amongst the reeds). And across the Riverlands, the North will cheer in triumph (wolves were howling).


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Counter Arguments:



1) Howland was confirmed by GRRM to be in his 30's, yet the High Septon has grey hair, a lined face, and is described as an "old man" both by Cersei and in the Appendix of AFoC and ADwD.



2) Howland's efforts would be better directed to other causes - helping the North against the Boltons, or helping the Riverlands against the Freys



3) *I have to quote this one because apparently I'm incapable of interpreting it accurately:






How did Howland learn the Fot7 so well that he can recite random parts of the 7PS, in les than an year?




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How did Howland learn the Fot7 so well that he can recite random parts of the 7PS, in les than an year?

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How did Howland learn the Fot7 so well that he can recite random parts of the 7PS, in les than an year?

I'm thinking to list that as the argument of:

Howland is a devout follower of the Old Gods, and as such, would not forsake his faith to play a role, nor would he have the time to appear as knowledgeable as the current High Septon.

How's that sound?

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Counter Arguments:

1) Howland is a devout follower of the Old Gods, and as such, would not forsake his faith to play a role, nor would he have the time to appear as knowledgeable as the current High Septon.

2) Howland was confirmed by GRRM to be in his 30's, yet the High Septon has grey hair, a lined face, and is described as an "old man" both by Cersei and in the Appendix of AFoC and ADwD.

3) Howland's efforts would be better directed to other causes - helping the North against the Boltons, or helping the Riverlands against the Freys

To these I would add another objection: HS engaging in actions that are somewhat dodgy, such as inflicting torture on the Blue Bard. Howland isn't known to be ruthless. Overall though I think the theory is a good one.

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I'm thinking to list that as the argument of:

Howland is a devout follower of the Old Gods, and as such, would not forsake his faith to play a role, nor would he have the time to appear as knowledgeable as the current High Septon.

How's that sound?

That's a full on, BS dodge. He's not saying he wouldn't forsake his faith to play a role. What he's saying that, in a year's time, someone who has grown up in a druid family and community all of a sudden goes to the Vatican, and on his way, picks up enough Catholics to overthrow the Pope based solely on his knowledge and adherance to the Catholic faith. Then, to NO ONE's suspicion, he knows the catholic religion so well that he deceives people that have followed and studied it their entire lives.

Howland can act (as in, nothing is stopping him from trying to play a role), that is for certain. However, you seem to be confusing "can we act well enough" with "he can't act," Changing the argument is the kind of thing people tend to do when they don't have an adequate response.

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That's a full on, BS dodge. He's not saying he wouldn't forsake his faith to play a role. What he's saying that, in a year's time, someone who has grown up in a druid family and community all of a sudden goes to the Vatican, and on his way, picks up enough Catholics to overthrow the Pope based solely on his knowledge and adherance to the Catholic faith. Then, to NO ONE's suspicion, he knows the catholic religion so well that he deceives people that have followed and studied it their entire lives.

Howland can act (as in, nothing is stopping him from trying to play a role), that is for certain. However, you seem to be confusing "can we act well enough" with "he can't act," Changing the argument is the kind of thing people tend to do when they don't have an adequate response.

Thank you.

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Yeah, my main objection to the theory is Howland being the Meryl Streep of his time


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I said as such in another thread, but this in "Mance is Rhaegar" territory for me in terms of how little it makes any actual sense. I've just kind ignored it up to this point, but that's my opinion. I'd also think that casting someone like Jonathan Pryce to play the High Sparrow would have put the kibosh on it, but I guess not.


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That's a full on, BS dodge. He's not saying he wouldn't forsake his faith to play a role. What he's saying that, in a year's time, someone who has grown up in a druid family and community all of a sudden goes to the Vatican, and on his way, picks up enough Catholics to overthrow the Pope based solely on his knowledge and adherance to the Catholic faith. Then, to NO ONE's suspicion, he knows the catholic religion so well that he deceives people that have followed and studied it their entire lives.

Howland can act (as in, nothing is stopping him from trying to play a role), that is for certain. However, you seem to be confusing "can we act well enough" with "he can't act," Changing the argument is the kind of thing people tend to do when they don't have an adequate response.

Hey, please tone it down. I wouldn't have asked "How's that sound?" if I was trying to simply assert my own definition of his argument. I gave him my interpretation of what he wrote, and asked if that's the way it was intended. He didn't respond, so I just took it as how I understood it and listed it above. If that's not how it is, that's fine, but it's unfair and uncalled for to tell me I'm doing a "BS dodge".

I explained in the disclaimer above, I'm not trying to get caught up in arguing the merits of the argument pro or con - after the OP, I only want to mediate the discussion by presenting a proper medium for both sides. Hence, the post dedicated to listing and highlighting the counter arguments. Why would I have reserved space to list the counter arguments if I didn't want them to be properly seen and understood?

If I misinterpret or misrepresent the argument, please feel free to tell me. But please don't accuse me of trying to deliberately confuse an idea when I'm actively trying my best to give the con-group a platform to express themselves.

p.s. I guess, to insure I'm not misquoting anyone, I'll just quote the posted argument instead of interpreting it. See above.

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Dear GRRMartin.



I know you don't want people to hurry you up but... this thread.



Love,



me.


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Howland Reed is not the High Sparrow . The High Sparrow is just another apocalyptic holy men that appear in times of trouble. If Reed was the High Sparrow 1st, he would have had to pick up enough information about the Seven to fool a true devotee and do that in a year .2nd must manipulate the people in order that they choose to make him the High Septon .


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It's not as crazy to me now as it initially looked. But how does this fit with H + A = J + M?


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Evidence that the sparrows are tied to Lady Stoneheart and the BwB:




“All these children,” Brienne said to the girl Willow. “Are they your . . . sisters? Brothers? Kin and cousins?”


“No.” Willow was staring at her, in a way that she knew well. “They’re just . . . I don’t know . . . the sparrows bring them here, sometimes..."




The sparrows are bringing children to a place affiliated with Stoneheart and Co.



Regardless of the theory, I thought you guys might find that interesting.


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Evidence that the sparrows are tied to Lady Stoneheart and the BwB:

The sparrows are bringing children to a place affiliated with Stoneheart and Co.

Regardless of the theory, I thought you guys might find that interesting.

Well, many, if not most, Sparrows are rivermen so it's only natural they would be loyal to the BwB. Also the BwB helped the smallfolk immensely, so really it's only natural.

I don't think the HS can command the Sparrows of the Riverlands effectively, if at all.

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Seriously, I feel like this thread is taking place in an alternate universe or something. How... just... how? I just re-read the KotLT and from Meera's mouth to Bran's ear, she calls him a "lad" meaning he's not 18 yet at the very least. Meaning... he's not even 35 as Ned Stark is in book 1. Meaning... He's probably not nearly old enough to be the High Septon, unless he was managing some green-magic miracles and won over a ton of followers, I just don't see it. Oh, and isn't there scripture he'd have to memorize?


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