voltron Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Is a powerful woman can become hand of the king or the title is prohibited to women by law ? I know the title require a strong personality and respect from others, and in Westeros, women in general are perceived as weak. But for women like Cersei who hold the title of lady paramount, how difficult it would be for them to gain this title ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lyman Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Impossible. The Hand is an appointed position and any King/Queen who gives the position to a female will more then likely be seen as weak themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion of the West Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 I'd say its more about social structures than anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
averde Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 I'm sure it's technically allowed but it would be nigh impossible for it to happen. As you say women are perceived as weaker and having less of a role then men outside the household therefore to appoint one as your hand, even if she is powerful, makes the king look incredibly weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaak Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Viserys considered Rhaenyra for Hand very seriously. The objection that deterred him (and doomed Targaryens) was that this would require her to live in King´s Landing and provoke quarrels with Alicent´s children. Not that there was any legal rule against female Hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockyRagnarok Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 If there were to be a female hand of the King/Queen, who would be worthy? Maybe, someone like Asha Greyjoy for her Naval skills? The Queen of Thorns for her cunning political savvy? Maybe Arriane Martell because of...well stuff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 If there were to be a female hand of the King/Queen, who would be worthy?Maybe, someone like Asha Greyjoy for her Naval skills? The Queen of Thorns for her cunning political savvy? Maybe Arriane Martell because of...well stuff?Daenerys because dragons. Margaery (if she lives) can charm the kingdom into behaving. Sansa after Littlefinger's training. And Arya who will end up with an incredibly diverse skill set by the time this is over, yet sadly will never be good at embroidery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batbob45 Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 could be good female handsAsha Gregory-sea knowledgeMarg-smartMyrcella-she seem smartSansa- since she learning about the game could be worst female handsDany-she might be a good one when she more matureCersei-bonkersSelyse-bonkersMel-no explanation necessaryArya-only because she a better assassin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northernmonkey Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 I don't see it as that unlikely. We've seen Cersei as regent, and the Queen of Thorns is seen as more politically able than most people. There have been plenty of well-respected women in positions of power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northernmonkey Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Mel-no explanation necessary I think an explanation is neccessary. She's got prophetic powers, therefore she would be the perfect hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batbob45 Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Mel could cause bad PR(burning) and her vision are not always right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northernmonkey Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Mel could cause bad PR(burning) and her vision are not always right True, but if I was king and had to have a female hand I'd pick Mel and tell her to stop burning people and tell me the future. You have to admit her powers could be very handy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Varys Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 It seems that Lady Mysaria - Misery, the White Worm - has been Mistress of Whisperer under Rhaenyra. Thus there were female council members during the early Targaryen era. Elaena later was effectively Mistress of Coin, but not legally. Thus there was clearly a decline in regards to women and their leadership capabilities. I guess there was never a female Hand, but the queens from Rhaenys/Visenya to Alysanne clearly had a lot of direct power (Alyssa Velaryon, too, I'd not be surprised if she ruled as Queen Regent during the first two years of Jaehaerys' reign - if she survived Maegor). Alicent and the later queens seemed to have been forced to scheme and manipulate behind the scenes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batbob45 Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Mel will still burn people and she might converted your spouse to red faith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alayne's Shadow. Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Legally, doesn't seem impossible, Especially Considering Rhaenyra was almost one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lyman Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 I don't see it as that unlikely. We've seen Cersei as regent, and the Queen of Thorns is seen as more politically able than most people. There have been plenty of well-respected women in positions of power. Cersei only gained that spot based on marriage and birth (married the King and Mother of two kings). Olenna is the same, politically able yes, but she still holds no positions and nobody would have dealt with her otherwise had she not been married to the Tyrells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 I think they don't have a female Hand of the King to avoid certain kind of jokes (which I won't mention although hundreds of them have just popped into my head...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Varys Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Cersei feels that she cannot name Taena Hand. That either is a sign that female councilors had grown even less popular since Elaena's time, or that she felt that woman - she, as Queen Regent - was already enough. Viserys I clearly had the power to do whatever the hell he wanted to do. He could have made Rhaenyra Hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mountain That Flies Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 While not all Hands have been martial by nature, it is often the Hand's responsibility to organize/run the royal army and navy. While there certainly are military-minded women of Westeros, they are few and far between and aren't terribly well respected by their male peers. Having one command the entire royal army without have mass dissent would be a pretty difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali Colak Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Rhaenyra was almost the heir, so the possibility of her becoming hand isn't that surprising. There's more of an emphasis on denying women any sort of great power after the Dance. That being said, I think Asha Greyjoy would make a great hand, as she does have some experience leading and gaining the respect of men in military situations. It would be a fight even for her, but she's won it before and might win it again. Lady Waynwood also seems capable. Queen of Thrones is definitely capable, but she seems more use to working through men that listen to her, rather than working directly. Also, her sharp tongue is bound to make her unpopular. Mel would be a good Master of whisperers or councilor, but an extremely bad hand do to PR reasons. You can order her not to burn people all you want, but she is what she is, a religious zealot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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