Iron from Ice discussion (spoilers)

[juanml82]

Irregardless of what you do, Ethan is stabbed, Mira makes Marg mad (through pissing of Sera or through pissing of Marg herself) and Gerard is at the Wall.

And Talia/Gerard feels kill me tbh.

After the hearing or something, Sera says something about how the people can only love Margery and you get the option to answer "it doesn't matter what you feel, it matters what you say" or something, which sort of echoes Margery advise before entering the Throne Room. If you use that, Mira's relationship with Margery will be restored.

Well since the new Lady of House Forrester, Mira, is in Kings Landing, I wonder what happens then, does Elissa take over as acting lady, or as regent for acting Lady Talia. We've had 3 of the 13 die already... Damn...

Oh, and screw Lord Whitehill.

And I minor geography error, the Kings Road goes nohere near Forrester lands haha. And the Whitehills and Forresters are a little far away to be rivals, but I suppose Dayne and Oakheart have little love for each other either.

Actually, the small kid is the new lord, but he happens to be Lord Whitehill's hostage. If he returns, Asher would become Lord. If he doesn't, Mira comes first and then Talia. Which means House Forrester is kind of beheaded.

Found this on Reddit...

"There isn't a spoiler marker for the telltale game yet, nor is their an official discussion thread, so I took it upon myself to create an unofficial one.

I marked this as spoilers all, which should technically cover this. In addition, we can discuss the events that are taking place in contex with the show.

As for my own thoughts on the episode, it was better than I expected it to be, if a little slow towards the middle. It was definitely worth the buy.

EDIT So a friend of mine was looking through the game files and found the names of the next episodes.

Episode 2: "The Lost Lords"

Episode 3: "The Sword in the Darkness"

Episode 4: "Sons of Winter"

Episode 5: "A Nest of Vipers"

Episode 6: "The Ice Dragon"

That's right. ICE DRAGON. Get your tinfoil hats on everyone."

Ice dragon fuckkkk. Lost Lords pertains to Ryon and Asher, swords in darkness arriving at the. Wall? Sons of winter? Asher? Nest of Vipers would be the duel of Oberyn and Mountain.

2)Asher, obviously. Maybe Malcom, who's Lord of his extinct House. And maybe someone else. Maybe someone from Whitehill if the fat lord dies?

3) The Wall, obviously

4) Asher? Mira? Talia might have been born in winter, the young boy certainly wasn't. Maybe it's a general statement about the North?

5) King's Landing, obviously, but it may also reference to Maester Turncloak and the Boltons, if Roose is already north of Moat Cailin

6) Tinfoil hats!! Maybe a reference to Asher, a Northernerwho might serve Dany

I just can't believe that Ramsay would be sent in to settle something like this. It looks like Ironrath is in the northwest of the wolfswood, and I don't think the Boltons ever bothered going there before to get oaths of fealty. Plus, everything in KL just seemed so gimmicky. "Go head to head with Peter and Lena Lannister! and Anne Boelyn Tyrell!"

I suppose it keeps in line with the hype and soap opera in middle earth that Game of Thrones has become, but I think it's quite silly. If the previews were true though, I can't wait to get to the Wall and Essos.

Well, even in the books, there is a fair amount of time between the RW and opening Moat Cailin, so maybe he found enough time in his schedule

What sort of game is this, RPG, RTS?

Choose your own adventure with videogame cutscenes in outdated graphics

Well it makes sense that the Boltons (as the new ruling House) would be more involved in settling Northern disputes post-Red Wedding.

I haven't bought the game yet, is Roose still chillin' below Moat Cailin?

Yep

[King Brandon Ice Eyes]

Well it makes sense that the Boltons (as the new ruling House) would be more involved in settling Northern disputes post-Red Wedding.

I haven't bought the game yet, is Roose still chillin' below Moat Cailin?

Yes. They talk about him a lot though which makes me think he will appear in later episodes. Even Tyrion apparently knows him. Brienne and Oberyn are already in KL so it seems Roose will get in the North the next episode or the third one according to the timeline.

I thought the game was quite silly at some parts but still very nice.

[Ramsay's Penguins]

Ok so the Ice Dragon is a constellation, and if you flow it's blue eyes, you get to the Wall. So Gared leaves the Wall at some point so he can follow the "Ice Dragon" back? I imagine shits gunna go downa t Ironrath, and he saves Talia or something.

[Ramsay Gimp]

Yes. They talk about him a lot though which makes me think he will appear in later episodes. Even Tyrion apparently knows him. Brienne and Oberyn are already in KL so it seems Roose will get in the North the next episode or the third one according to the timeline.

I thought the game was quite silly at some parts but still very nice.

That settles it, I'm getting this game. Ramsay was reason enough, but Roose as the main antagonist? Sold.

It would be interesting if they end it with Ironrath destroyed and the fugitive Forresters linking up with Stannis

[King Brandon Ice Eyes]

That settles it, I'm getting this game. Ramsay was reason enough, but Roose as the main antagonist? Sold.

It would be interesting if they end it with Ironrath destroyed and the fugitive Forresters linking up with Stannis

Just to be clear: I'm speculating Roose will show up later on. I may be completely wrong. Yes, he is kind of established as the main antagonist but Lord Whitehill and Ramsay are much more personal antagonists to House Forrester so far. :)

[C.T. Phipps]

Is it just me or is Gared a terrible fighter. I mean he fights better with a pitchfork then a sword

He took on three armed men at once and defeats them. By Westeros, a.k.a real world, standards, he's a certified badass.

Of course, the sword is a great sword and he's clearly trained in one-handed weapons.

House Forrester's overall position seems to be a tad inconsistent. On one hand, they're essentially third-tier nobility (bannermen to bannerman of the Starks). On the other, we are repeatedly reminded that ironwood is highly coveted and they control pretty much the only supply, so you'd think they'd be relatively loaded. That appears to not be the case, as they can't even pay their household staff.

I get the impression the Foresters are on their way up due to the Ironwood trade and other qualities. They're not just third-tier nobility but also going to lead the charge against Casterly Rock. They might not be able to pay their men due to the fact all of their normal forces (and perhaps treasury) were wasted at the Red Wedding getting everyone armed and prepped only to be killed. They wouldn't be the first rich and powerful RL nobility to blow their entire load on a war they expected to win.

If I had to put it in simple terms, the Foresters were, Pre-Red Wedding about to become 2nd tier nobility. Then they suffer a titanic setback.

Well it makes sense that the Boltons (as the new ruling House) would be more involved in settling Northern disputes post-Red Wedding.

The whole thing is a Mummer's farce. Ramsay isn't there to settle a dispute, he's there to reward the Whitehills for being loyal bannermen and to strike at those who'd still be loyal to the Starks (like the Forresters obviously are). They murdered the pig-farmers because they were Duncan's family to provoke him into a response.

So, what happened to Ethan always happening is probably realistic. It was never about the Ironwood, just premeptively eliminating a threat.

Here's my review of the first Episode, BTW.

http://unitedfederationofcharles.blogspot.com/2014/12/game-of-thrones-episode-1-iron-from-ice.html

I thought the writing with Cersei and Tyrion was clever too. Cersei is talking about how Mira is "the most dangerous handmaiden in king's landing" when it's very obvious she has no friends, no influence, and is really just Margaery Tyrwell's professional girlfriend and bestie. It's just the kind of bullying she'd do and also explains why Tywin Lannister has no interest in it. He knows there's no danger to Mira.

Tyrion is there for dinner and a show.

[OmnomnomPomelo]

It's lagging hard on my laptop :( but sent Gared to the Wall.

My question is that is there any other way for Gared? Can he stay at Ironrath or must go to the Wall?

[C.T. Phipps]

It's lagging hard on my laptop :( but sent Gared to the Wall.

My question is that is there any other way for Gared? Can he stay at Ironrath or must go to the Wall?

It's best to think of Telltale games as stories where you don't control events but control your reaction to them.

Gared is the Jon Snow EXPY given he's the outsider accepted into the family of questionable birth but who has the skills of a warrior.

He was always going to the Wall.

The Forresters are basically stand-ins for the Starks.

In general, you really can't change anything.

[OmnomnomPomelo]

I thought there will be some porn in the game, I'm disappointed :D

[marsyao]

House Forrester's overall position seems to be a tad inconsistent. On one hand, they're essentially third-tier nobility (bannermen to bannerman of the Starks). On the other, we are repeatedly reminded that ironwood is highly coveted and they control pretty much the only supply, so you'd think they'd be relatively loaded. That appears to not be the case, as they can't even pay their household staff.

I will think House Forrester is at the same level of House Webber in the "Sworn Sword" : half dozen Knights and around 50 soldiers, consider Lord Forrester was not even invited into the wedding feast in the greathall of the Twins, I doubt Robb would assign them as vanguard of his army

[Will Snow]

^^this. Also, was't Robb marching for Winterfell when the RW occurred? I might be misremembering, but I thought, in the books at least, Robb was returning north to get his own house in order. Was it different on the show? Because leaving the westerlands for a wedding at the Twins, and then going back to the westerlands to attack Casterly Rock doesn't make the most logistical sense.

[RumHam]

^^this. Also, was't Robb marching for Winterfell when the RW occurred? I might be misremembering, but I thought, in the books at least, Robb was returning north to get his own house in order. Was it different on the show? Because leaving the westerlands for a wedding at the Twins, and then going back to the westerlands to attack Casterly Rock doesn't make the most logistical sense.

Yes, they changed it for the show so he was planning to attack the Lannisters where they live. Yet for some reason in some of the dialogue of the random Stark men at the Red Wedding they're still talking about how much they're looking forward to returning home.

I thought there will be some porn in the game, I'm disappointed :D

I still fully expect a scene where you use quick time events to give handjobs in a brothel while somebody spouts exposition.

[C.T. Phipps]

I will think House Forrester is at the same level of House Webber in the "Sworn Sword" : half dozen Knights and around 50 soldiers, consider Lord Forrester was not even invited into the wedding feast in the greathall of the Twins, I doubt Robb would assign them as vanguard of his army

He's explictly leading the attack on Casterly Rock according to the game. We also see a fairly mid-sized army during the chase-scene.

^^this. Also, was't Robb marching for Winterfell when the RW occurred? I might be misremembering, but I thought, in the books at least, Robb was returning north to get his own house in order. Was it different on the show? Because leaving the westerlands for a wedding at the Twins, and then going back to the westerlands to attack Casterly Rock doesn't make the most logistical sense.

Show continuity, not book continuity.

It's not really even the show continuity because Tyrion Lannister still has power and respect in King's Landing, almost equal to the Queen as Master of Coin.

[marsyao]

He's explictly leading the attack on Casterly Rock according to the game. We also see a fairly mid-sized army during the chase-scene.

I know, my point is game made a mistake here (their another mistake is to suggest a squire was among the lowest rank of a feudal army), because vanguard of an army is always a position of honor in an Medieval army, a Lord who lead that vanguard shall be invited into the main wedding feast in greathall. Since Lord Forrester was not invited, it could only indicate his rank in Robb's army was not high.

P.S the mid-size army we saw were not necessary all belong to Lord Forrest's host

[RumHam]

Ok so the Ice Dragon is a constellation, and if you flow it's blue eyes, you get to the Wall. So Gared leaves the Wall at some point so he can follow the "Ice Dragon" back? I imagine shits gunna go downa t Ironrath, and he saves Talia or something.

Am I crazy for thinking that the mysterious "Northern Grove" is north of the Wall? The guy said something about wildlings, and then told Gared to become a ranger if he can. Obviously it doesn't make much sense that the Forresters would hold land north of the Wall...

[Talleyrand]

Am I crazy for thinking that the mysterious "Northern Grove" is north of the Wall? The guy said something about wildlings, and then told Gared to become a ranger if he can. Obviously it doesn't make much sense that the Forresters would hold land north of the Wall...

I've a theory rattling around in my head about Ironwood not properly growing south of the wall which is why the Whitehill cut away all of theirs, because nothing new was growing from the planted trees. But acorns from the Northern Grove will grow properly, which is why the Forresters have manage to keep their going and have a monopoly on the stuff.

Doesn't make too much sense even to me but its the best I can think of so far

[C.T. Phipps]

I know, my point is game made a mistake here (their another mistake is to suggest a squire was among the lowest rank of a feudal army), because vanguard of an army is always a position of honor in an Medieval army, a Lord who lead that vanguard shall be invited into the main wedding feast in greathall. Since Lord Forrester was not invited, it could only indicate his rank in Robb's army was not high.

P.S the mid-size army we saw were not necessary all belong to Lord Forrest's host

I think that's assuming a lot of things and fitting evidence to suit theories rather than the reverse. Lord Forester very clearly believes the vanguard is a position of honor and is excited about leading the charge tomorrow. The way Gared reacts also lets us know he considers it a position of high honor as well. Everything we encounter shows the Foresters to be in a position of great importance to the Starks, except for your statement that he's not at the feast.

And there might be a reason for that, such as coming back to check on his men or being left in charge of the army while the others are eating.

We also saw Gared cleaning fresh blood from his sword so its possible Lord Forester just came back from a duel or mission outside Frey property.

Of course, the real reason he's not at the feast is so his squire can interact with him before he escapes.

As for "Lowest of the Low" I think that's reading too much into Bowen's ****ing. In that very same sentence, he derides Gared for being a pig-farmer yet also sneers at the fact he got favors from his Castellan brothers. Bowen just doesn't like fetching his master wine despite the fact being a cup bearer is an honor. Gared, for example, is very happy to be a squire and Bowen derides him for it. It's really just him being a snooty jerk who wants to be a knight now.

[juanml82]

Ok so the Ice Dragon is a constellation, and if you flow it's blue eyes, you get to the Wall. So Gared leaves the Wall at some point so he can follow the "Ice Dragon" back? I imagine shits gunna go downa t Ironrath, and he saves Talia or something.

Specially since Talia has a crush on him

Am I crazy for thinking that the mysterious "Northern Grove" is north of the Wall? The guy said something about wildlings, and then told Gared to become a ranger if he can. Obviously it doesn't make much sense that the Forresters would hold land north of the Wall...

I was thinking the same thing, but the Watch would have to be involved. One thing is "some" trade between the wildlings and the Watch, the other is a noble House conducting regular, large scale, business with the wildlings.

[C.T. Phipps]

Specially since Talia has a crush on him

I was thinking the same thing, but the Watch would have to be involved. One thing is "some" trade between the wildlings and the Watch, the other is a noble House conducting regular, large scale, business with the wildlings.

It'd make sense if it was someone like the Thenns but the show Thenns are....yeah.

[RumHam]

I was thinking (and I have no idea where the Forrester lands are or if this game cares.) that maybe there is a cave or other underground passage on Forrester lands that leads beneath the wall to the grove. Part of the cave structure that Gendel and Gorne used maybe.