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How could anyone even think that Stannis would be good king?


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I don't understand why so many people are in support of Stannis.



Consider these points:



- The people would live in fear of their king if Stannis was ruler, he would probably kill anyone who would not convert to believe in the Lord of Light.


- Melisandre's control over him would most likely increase. The red woman whispering into his ear, what is Stannis other than a puppet to her control and the lord of light??? Like a dog and it's owner, the dog can bark, bite and attack but the owner truly is the one who has control.


- He would kill anyone who he deems a threat without hesitation, countless would die all for the security of his throne, all those who oppose his ruling. Ruthless, cruel, selfish would be perfect words to describe Stannis as a king.


- Family means nothing to him... e.g. He murdered his own brother using black magic without hesitation, he would even most likely use his own daughter to get his own ways if Melisandre told him too.



These are just a few of many points about Stannis...



Is this how a ruler should be???


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Stannis admits that he is basically an atheist, he just makes use of Melisandre because she has power and can help him take the throne. I wouldn't be all that surprised if he basically ignores her once he actually has it. While he marches with the Northmen he does not attempt to convert them and refuses to burn unbelievers.



I have never seen any sign that Stannis would go on a mad killing spree when he takes the throne, offing anyone who disagrees with him. That being said, Ruthlessness is not necessarily a bad trait for a king to have.



Renly was in open rebellion when Stannis killed him,yet he still offered to pardon him and name Renly his heir if Renly lowered his banners and after he killed him he still mourned his death. On top of this there have been no signs that Stannis intends to kill his daughter, which to be fair he probably should. After all "The girl is unclean."


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- The people would live in fear of their king if Stannis was ruler, he would probably kill anyone who would not convert to believe in the Lord of Light.

- Melisandre's control over him would most likely increase. The red woman whispering into his ear, what is Stannis other than a puppet to her control and the lord of light??? Like a dog and it's owner, the dog can bark, bite and attack but the owner truly is the one who has control.

You assume Stannis would continue his "worship" of R'hllor and his alliance with Melisandre if he becomes king. We know he doesn't truly believe in R'hllor. And it seems pretty clear to me that he's using Melisandre for his own ends—he believes she can help him take the throne. Once he does, he likely won't need her, or his false worship of R'hllor, anymore.

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I don't understand why so many people are in support of Stannis.

Consider these points:

- The people would live in fear of their king if Stannis was ruler, he would probably kill anyone who would not convert to believe in the Lord of Light.

- Melisandre's control over him would most likely increase. The red woman whispering into his ear, what is Stannis other than a puppet to her control and the lord of light??? Like a dog and it's owner, the dog can bark, bite and attack but the owner truly is the one who has control.

- He would kill anyone who he deems a threat without hesitation, countless would die all for the security of his throne, all those who oppose his ruling. Ruthless, cruel, selfish would be perfect words to describe Stannis as a king.

- Family means nothing to him... e.g. He murdered his own brother using black magic without hesitation, he would even most likely use his own daughter to get his own ways if Melisandre told him too.

These are just a few of many points about Stannis...

Is this how a ruler should be???

- Im assuming you are a tv show watcher and not book reader then, stannis doesnt give 2 fucks about the lord of light or any gods

People would be afraid of him yes but thats a good thing esp when that ruler is just

-Again read the books ...book stannis isnt mels bitch , not even a little bit

-As would literaly every other king ....u kill threats yes

-That would be the brother who betrayed him and was happy to kill him first right?

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I just listed several points which you completely disregarded...

Because they are stupid.

The overwhelming majority of his men followe the Seven or the Old Gods. His Hand and Castellan among them. The guy he sends as Plan B to hire sellswords is the least devout of the Queen's Men.

Melisandre, though wrong in her presentation, is still right in general, there is indeed a threat to all mankind coming, and thanks to her Stannis is the only one doing something about it.

All those you fear for under Stannis' rule are the fucking assholes who have bled the kingdom dry for fear of being removed from positions they have so far abused - Varys, LF, the Lannisters, etc.

Renly was planning on killing Stannis in the morning, and who he thought were his nephews. And Stannis only contemplates killing Edric when he thinks it's the only way to save mankind.

The reasons you provide only serve to show why Stannis is a good ruler.

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I think Stannis would make an awful king. The nobility would be very soon in widespread revolt.

Stannis is trapped by his own self righteous bluster and has a very weird, idealized version of politics, where everyone who doesn't jump six feet when he asks is a traitor. He will forgive people who rebel against him, sort of, but clearly hates doing it, and the jury is out whether he would be so forgiving if his position was a little stronger. Of course, Stannis isn't above breaking the rules of justice either, let it be known, and is somewhat more pragmatic than his public pronunciations would suggest. And that makes his bizarre inflexibility all the worse really.

I thought one of his worst deeds was burning Florent. Florent was trying to make a good deal, which would save Shireen's life if it went through, and 'Stan the Man' had him burnt alive for it. Burnt alive ... Yet as Davos pointed out, Stannis revolted against king Aerys! Remembering this is a 'bitter draught,' or some such. Stannis takes his own righteousness as a given most of the time, until someone dares beat him over the head with the fact he's the same as everyone else. This is why he's rightly seen as merciless and harsh.

And I think we can safely say Stannis would face revolts if he ever became king. LF told Ned if Stannis was put on the throne Casterly Rock and Highgarden would rise. Many people dismiss Littlefinger's claim but bare two things in mind. First, he had to be convincing for Ned, so he could not tell egregious lies. Secondly, we do see that Tyrell's bannerman, Tarly, started putting Stannis's chief supporters, the Florents, to death in the camp at Bitterbridge to stop the army going over. The Tyrells would have fought Stannis, and so would many in the Reach. Stannis is one of the main reasons Ned was put to death. LF and Slynt would not stomach him as king, and nor would many other people.

In mitigation, there is some evidence Stannis can try and win popularity on occasion, if he's really prodded. He did stir up the clans on Jon's advice, in DwD, although he hated the idea of actually having to do something to win loyalty. So there's some ambiguity there as to whether he could prove a decent king, but not much.

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He has no give and take whatsoever. He may be a good military strategist but all forms of effective governance require an ability to compromise and some negotiation skills. He seems completely devoid of any such thing. His burning alive of his first hand/brother-in-law when the man tried to do a deal to the benefit of all his people demonstrates this.



Instead he has blown through one full army and navy without a second thought to the soldiers or families, now he is on to another one he is buying in Essos. The northmen are just a means to an end for him, too. He really does believe that they owe him, just for the fact of being him.



And obsession with his rights rather than what he can bring to the realm are overwhelming. Even to the point of assassinating his own brother. Renly might or might not have made a better king, but Stannis gave the long term benefit to his people not a second thought.



He was at his best fighting Robert's wars but nothing else.


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Power. He would be a... meh king, if that's the word. Not good, not bad. Selyse would be a terrible Queen. But these people have marched with him when he had a chance at the IT, and want the power they would gain by Stannis winning the throne. Not sure if anyone really thinks he'd be a great king, not even Selyse.

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1. He would kill anyone who doesn't convert to the lord of light.



Not true. His most trusted man Davos still keeps to the faith of the seven. He's not overly religious like his wife. I think the 'burning of the weirwood branches' etc is more of a power show then anything. 'You want to come into my house live by my rules.' It's a far cry from burning religious symbols to burning unbelievers.



2. He's not actually got that much influence over her. - Take Mance Rayder's fake burning. If Mel wanted Mance alive and had that much influence over Stannis, she wouldn't have had to do the glamour trick.



3. Thousands would die for his rule. He will kill without hesitation. Ruthless cruel - Not sure where you've got this all from. Could you elaborate why you think he will be this cruel?



4. Family Means nothing to him - He did kill Renly and though this was a cruel act. Renly was going to war with him and willing to kill him, because he wanted to be king. Whatever you think of either of them Stannis had the right of this situation.

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And I think we can safely say Stannis would face revolts if he ever became king. LF told Ned if Stannis was put on the throne Casterly Rock and Highgarden would rise. Many people dismiss Littlefinger's claim but bare two things in mind. First, he had to be convincing for Ned, so he could not tell egregious lies. Secondly, we do see that Tyrell's bannerman, Tarly, started putting Stannis's chief supporters, the Florents, to death in the camp at Bitterbridge to stop the army going over. The Tyrells would have fought Stannis, and so would many in the Reach. Stannis is one of the main reasons Ned was put to death. LF and Slynt would not stomach him as king, and nor would many other people.

In mitigation, there is some evidence Stannis can try and win popularity on occasion, if he's really prodded. He did stir up the clans on Jon's advice, in DwD, although he hated the idea of actually having to do something to win loyalty. So there's some ambiguity there as to whether he could prove a decent king, but not much.

If Stannis wins, there would be no more threats to revollt. And let's take LF's claims with a grain of salt here. You don't rebel the instant someone you don't like is king. Tarly took orders from Loras, who acted on emotion rather than waiting to hear his father's reaction to recent changes, thus forcing Mace's hand. Regarding Stannis' abbility to win popularity - consider the reactions to his letter accusing Cersei of treason and incest - Tarly claims to Renly after the parley that to leave Stannis here risks Stannis being as strong as Renly in a short while, or even stronger. Even if he was thinking of Renly losing half his men in battle, that still leaves Tarly making the claim that Stannis is likely to rally 40-50,000 swords to his cause in the next few weeks.

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