Xray the Enforcer

[TWOW Spoilers] Alayne I, v. 3

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Why should GoHH's prophecy  focus on the doll and a snow castle? A prophecy won't talk about such small things. If we talk about the symbolism of this scene between Sansa and SR, I would suggest it means that Sansa will avenge those who ruined her castle (her family seat, Winterfell, and the Starks).

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That prophecy almost certainly has to do with her killing Littlefinger as his real family sigil is the Titan of Braavos ( A Giant). He changed his to the mockingbird out of arrogance and mocking everyone around him who seems to see him as small as a bird yet forgets that he is a Giant in their World, masquerading as the bird, mocking them, making fun of them etc. He is savage as far as his cruetly (Jeyne Poole ring a bell), he is a human trader, a high functioning sociopath. evil.  Sansa will kill Littlefinger at some point and in the Wintertime, The Eyrie or maybe, maybe Winterfell.

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"Slaying a savage giant "IN" a castle built of snow"  Not near, not in front of, In.  If it were not obvious enough that the prophecy would not refer to such a trivial event, the fact that it does not line up with what was said should be enough.  Sansa was not in a castle built of snow when she ripped the dolls head off. 

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Hey, I am new to this as you can see, but have thought this through a lot... So, I really don't think that LF can be described as or believed savage. Yes, he is cruel, he kills people for his own benefit, he is a sociopath - but to be savage, I'd say he'd have to be much more violent, brutal, losing his temper, or at least associated with other savages... neither of which he is. His self control is one of the best in Westeros, I think (right next to Roose Bolton). Besides, yes, the prophecies are figurative and often envision people's actions via their sigils but I don't recall of any other prophecy in the books which would symbolize a man with a sigil he doesn't use and is not generally associated with him. Why wouldn't the GoHH see a maid killing a little (mocking)bird in a castle made of snow if LF's death is what the prophecy is representing?

So, in my opinion, the GoHH prophecy is no more than what it seems based on the castle of snow scene in the Eyrie. I actually like it, as a great absurdity and a sign of prophecies not being always what they seem. I would love to see Sansa finishing off LF but my feeling is that it she will die, more likely, because she disconnected herself deliberately from her pack and the lone wolf dies. :(

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3 hours ago, Jenny of Dorne said:

Besides, yes, the prophecies are figurative and often envision people's actions via their sigils but I don't recall of any other prophecy in the books which would symbolize a man with a sigil he doesn't use and is not generally associated with him. Why wouldn't the GoHH see a maid killing a little (mocking)bird in a castle made of snow if LF's death is what the prophecy is representing?

It would be too obvious if it would be a mockingbird. Besides that GoHH refers to Cat Stark as "woman who was a fish", a fish is Tully's sigil, but Cat is a Stark.

I guess all the remaining Starks are on their own now and partly lost their Stark identity and their pack. Sansa disguised as Alayne, Jon as a brother of NW, Arya trying to become a Faceless man, Bran becoming a 3d eye raven. We don't know much about Rickon, but he was too smal when he left Winterfell and could probably forget his Stark-ness.

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The prophecy of the Ghost of High Heart: "And later I dreamt that maid again, slaying a savage giant in a castle built of snow."

Proposals for who might be the giant in the previous discussion of this post have been (If I am not wrong):

- Littlefinger (as the sigil of his father was the Titan of Braavos)

- Ser Robert Strong

- Robert Arryn (Sweetrobin)

- Sweetrobin's doll (in that case the prohecy would already have become true)

As the GoHH mentions a SAVAGE giant, I have some problems with Sweetrobin, his doll, and Littlefinger, however it still might fit.

Maybe we have overseen something? Which other giants might exist in the whole story, however far-fetched it may seem?

Bedwyck, nicknamed Giant due to his short height, is an experienced ranger of the Night's Watch (actually in command of the abandoned way-castle Icemark 

- Wun Wun in Castle Black

 

I know - very far fetched, The most convincing point I see, it would extremely well fit the "Castle built of snow".

Hmmm... best explanation might still be Sweetrobin's doll, who else could Sansa be able to slay?

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The savagery is a lack of care for the consequences of his actions, a lack of empathy. LF has no regard for the collateral damage his manoeuvres cause. He wanted war and wanted it on his terms. The giant is less about his sigil and more his influence, the sigil is just a hidden little bonus. He is a giant like important historic (or contemporary) figures are referred to as giants, and how Aemon refers to Tyrion. He moves armies, causes wars, decides battles, steers kings.

LF was the single most cause of the Stark's ruin. He killed JA, saving the Lannister siblings Robert's wrath and in the knowledge it'd bring Robert to Ned and Ned to the south. To make sure of the latter he had Lysa send the secret letter. He had no regard for the ruin it would bring to the realm or on house Stark, hence a savage giant destroying WF, and the motivation for Sansa to slay him. When she figures it out.

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7 hours ago, Greywater-Watch said:

The prophecy of the Ghost of High Heart: "And later I dreamt that maid again, slaying a savage giant in a castle built of snow."

Proposals for who might be the giant in the previous discussion of this post have been (If I am not wrong):

- Littlefinger (as the sigil of his father was the Titan of Braavos)

- Ser Robert Strong

- Robert Arryn (Sweetrobin)

- Sweetrobin's doll (in that case the prohecy would already have become true)

As the GoHH mentions a SAVAGE giant, I have some problems with Sweetrobin, his doll, and Littlefinger, however it still might fit.

Maybe we have overseen something? Which other giants might exist in the whole story, however far-fetched it may seem?

Bedwyck, nicknamed Giant due to his short height, is an experienced ranger of the Night's Watch (actually in command of the abandoned way-castle Icemark 

- Wun Wun in Castle Black

 

I know - very far fetched, The most convincing point I see, it would extremely well fit the "Castle built of snow".

Hmmm... best explanation might still be Sweetrobin's doll, who else could Sansa be able to slay?

The Umbers' sigil is a savage giant with broken chains.  Not sure why she would be killing one of them though.  Although Whoresbane did side with the Boltons.

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When Sansa goes underground (think Winterfell crypts?), a lot of wight/Other imagery pops up. This imagery is missing when she is above ground.

LF says, "Winter is coming."

“Lady Alayne,” Lord Grafton said. “You look bright-eyed this morning.” Wights are described as bright-eyed.

 

“The world is full of horrors, sweet.  By now you ought to know that.  You’ve seen enough of them.”  Reminds one of 'the night is dark and full of terrors'.

"Charm him.  Entrance him.  Bewitch him.”

The night belongs to you, sweetling, Remember that, always.”

With these in mind, we have the following possible word play at the end of the chapter.

"Until that day, may I wear your favor in the tourney?”

 “You may not.  It is promised to… another (another = An Other?).”  She was not sure who as yet, but she knew she would find someone.

 

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