Eligible Works for Hugo Worldcon 2016 - Deadline 31st March!

[felice]

1 hour ago, Maia said:

Like, they might expect "My Little Pony" to win because SJW sensibilities or whatever and then they'd get to  flaunt the fact that Hugos have fallen so far that they'd award an "obviously unworthy" "kiddy cartoon" solely because it toes an ideological line*.

The nominated episodes feature a villain that comes across as a straw man communist, so presumably they approve of it's ideological line. Generally, it's a surprisingly good show. The season finale would have been a much better choice, featuring time travel and multiple dystopian alternate versions of Equestria.

[The Marquis de Leech]

44 minutes ago, felice said:

The nominated episodes feature a villain that comes across as a straw man communist, so presumably they approve of it's ideological line. Generally, it's a surprisingly good show. The season finale would have been a much better choice, featuring time travel and multiple dystopian alternate versions of Equestria.

Oh, it's that one.

Yeah, I can see why the Puppies would latch onto that (albeit it's less a comment on communism and more on enforced social conformity). In any case, there's another episode where the show takes the piss out of the capitalist griffons.

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

Maia,

Apologies, I'm not saying you're dinging people.  I'm asking if we should and it seems the concensus is we should just go about our business and ignore VD and his antics (thank you Mormont).  

The more we react to VD the more power we grant him.  Perhaps that is something I should point out at the Business Meeting during discussions of EPH and 4/6?

 

[Contrarius+]

16 hours ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

Maia,

Are we going to ding authors for being picked by the Puppies?  Should we?  The only book on my nomination slate that made it for best novel was Seveneves.  I enjoyed it.  Should Neal Stephenson be penalized for Vox Day's bullshit?

Personally, I'll be No Awarding anything published by Castalia House -- except maaaaaaybe for the Gene Wolfe book (I'm gonna hafta check it out). But otherwise, like with Seveneves, I'll let the nominations succeed or fail on their own merits.

[Contrarius+]

15 hours ago, Mudguard said:

I think Space Raptor Butt Invasion by Chuck Tingle (Amazon Digital Services) for Best Short Story is probably worse than My Little Pony, but I can't really say since I haven't read or watched either.  Anyone going to take one for the team and read that short story?  I'm going to pass after reading the short description on Amazon.

Read it weeks ago. It isn't even good porn -- and it's boring.

[The Marquis de Leech]

3 hours ago, felice said:

The nominated episodes feature a villain that comes across as a straw man communist, so presumably they approve of it's ideological line. Generally, it's a surprisingly good show. The season finale would have been a much better choice, featuring time travel and multiple dystopian alternate versions of Equestria.

I went and watched the series finale, and I'd actually disagree - not because I'm a fan of the straw communist episode, but rather because the series finale felt too damn disjointed, what with moving back and forth between alternate realities every thirty seconds. I think it'd have worked better if they'd picked one dystopic alternative reality, and developed that in more detail (with perhaps a brief glimpse at a second alternative reality, in the form of the post-apocalyptic desert).

[The Marquis de Leech]

A dramatic reading of Space Raptor Butt Sex:

Yes, this is what has been nominated for a Hugo Award.

[MisterOJ]

25 minutes ago, Roose Boltons Pet Leech said:

A dramatic reading of Space Raptor Butt Sex:

Yes, this is what has been nominated for a Hugo Award.

So, I only pay attention to these things on a very basic level. I think I understand the basics of the whole SP/RP thing. But seriously... how did this get nominated for an award? Is it supposed to be a joke or something?

[The Marquis de Leech]

Just now, MisterOJ said:

So, I only pay attention to these things on a very basic level. I think I understand the basics of the whole SP/RP thing. But seriously... how did this get nominated for an award? Is it supposed to be a joke or something?

Simple. The most obnoxious person in science-fiction (and believe me, he has some stiff competition) wanted to troll the awards. So he got his followers to nominate this as a big Fuck You. Enough of them voted for Space Raptor Butt Sex* to get it into the final.

*It's self-published, of course. The author is probably over the moon at the unexpected publicity.

 

[MisterOJ]

Just now, Roose Boltons Pet Leech said:

Simple. The most obnoxious person in science-fiction (and believe me, he has some stiff competition) wanted to troll the awards. So he got his followers to nominate this as a big Fuck You. Enough of them voted for Space Raptor Butt Sex* to get it into the final.

*It's self-published, of course. The author is probably over the moon at the unexpected publicity.

 

Gotcha. So, it was Vox Day's doing? Like I said, I'm aware of the various puppies, but I have no idea which nominations (or why) were their doing. 

Is there a blog post anywhere that outlines which nominations are there because of the pups and which ones are legit? I'd be interested in reading something like that.

[mormont]

6 minutes ago, MisterOJ said:

Is there a blog post anywhere that outlines which nominations are there because of the pups and which ones are legit? I'd be interested in reading something like that.

http://file770.com/?p=28616

[MisterOJ]

2 minutes ago, mormont said:

http://file770.com/?p=28616

That's perfect. Thanks.

[marcaramini]

11 hours ago, Lily Valley said:

NO.  Some of my picks wound up on their slates for category, not for particular stories that they published or for writers or editors that contribute.  This is telling.  NONE of the stories published by Daily Science Fiction made their slate, yet the magazine made their slate.  I assume it's because neither editor has offended VD.  It's a great magazine.  

The Dark Forest didn't wind up on the slate, the author pissed off VD last year.  The author also publicly asked his Chinese fans not to nominate the book.  This is a damn shame.  It's awesome.

Edit #2

marcaramini, Congratulations! I wish you the best of luck.

The short and long form dramatic presentations call all kiss my arse.  Yes, yes, you all loved Ex Machina.  I hated it.  Mad Max bored me and I have no comment at all on Star Wars.  I agonized over both of those categories and none of my babies were nominated.

BTW, File770 is down.  Interesting.

thanks! Just a bit of background, I started the project over four years ago. No publisher is interested in a work of literary criticism over 300,000 words long that won't make any money, not even university presses, but Vox took it (long before last year's Hugos - my editor with Castalia had been working on the volume almost a year when it was released in July of 2015.) Vox gave me complete veto power and control in the cover design, and promised me a hardback and a second volume to finish the job regardless of sales in the original contract. So from a purely personal perspective he has been the only publisher who was interested in the project and treated me fairly. The only issue that occurred was a version mixup somewhere along the editing chain, and I am hoping now that maybe some people will look at it again my editor can get the "version 2" update which I have had for months on amazon asap. I put  my heart and soul into this for years, and Vox has treated me fairly, his public persona completely out of the equation. So regardless of what happens, I believe in a perfect world my book SHOULD be considered, though as it is obviously I think there is a greater than 70 percent chance or more that No Award will take best related work. I won't say anything more about it here because I don't want to clutter up the thread, but if anyone wants to PM me about the book itself please feel free to do so.

 

Thanks again!

[Maltaran]

Brandon Sanderson responds - I think he's the first to do so of the mainstream authors who were on the slate.

[mormont]

3 minutes ago, Maltaran said:

Brandon Sanderson responds - I think he's the first to do so of the mainstream authors who were on the slate.

An excellent response: I agree with everything he says.

[The Marquis de Leech]

2 hours ago, marcaramini said:

So regardless of what happens, I believe in a perfect world my book SHOULD be considered, though as it is obviously I think there is a greater than 70 percent chance or more that No Award will take best related work. I won't say anything more about it here because I don't want to clutter up the thread, but if anyone wants to PM me about the book itself please feel free to do so.

If it's any consolation, your work is clearly the stand-out in that section. If people don't reflexively vote No Award, I really like your chances. 

[felice]

8 hours ago, marcaramini said:

So regardless of what happens, I believe in a perfect world my book SHOULD be considered

In a world without Puppies, your book may well have made the ballot anyway, and it might even be good enough to win. But in this world, how will you feel about your Hugo if/when you win? You'll have won an award for being better than SJWs Always Lie. Is that really an accomplishment you can be proud of?

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

3 minutes ago, felice said:

In a world without Puppies, your book may well have made the ballot anyway, and it might even be good enough to win. But in this world, how will you feel about your Hugo if/when you win? You'll have won an award for being better than SJWs Always Lie. Is that really an accomplishment you can be proud of?

Felice,

But if everyone withdraws.  If no one but VD's supporters vote haven't we just ceded the Hugos to VD?

[serdog]

A question for those who know. For best related work how "related" does it have to be? For example "The Story of Moira Greyland" is basically someone talking about sexual abuse by her family (true a famous family in SF)  and is super homophobic to boot, realistically it has nothing to  do with SF and I am wonder if it could be disqualified as a result?  

[David Selig]

2 minutes ago, serdog said:

A question for those who know. For best related work how "related" does it have to be? For example "The Story of Moira Greyland" is basically someone talking about sexual abuse by her family (true a famous family in SF)  and is super homophobic to boot, realistically it has nothing to  do with SF and I am wonder if it could be disqualified as a result?  

Last year a book consisting of one-line jokes, the vast majority of which had nothing to do with SFF, got nominated and wasn't disqualified. So probably not.