[BOOK/SHOW SPOILERS] A certain scene in Winterfell

[Newstar]

Double post.

[Chebyshov]

My thoughts: http://gotgifsandmusings.tumblr.com/post/119245925832/on-sansa

I'm too angry to put this in better context.

[TyrionsFlagon]

What was worse...Jaime and Cersei next to Joffrey's corpse or Ramsay and Sansa and Theon?

[Witch]

What was worse...Jaime and Cersei next to Joffrey's corpse or Ramsay and Sansa and Theon?

At least we know Jaime and Cersei is consensual in the books.

[Rusalochka]

...and was astonished to find myself actually feeling bad for Theon. Which is incredible. (...) That would have been so wonderful. The acting from Theon's Alfie was fantastic. I remembered that Theon, once, was at least a half-way decent person and not a murderer, traitor and thief.

Oh man, my heart was already broken when Sansa told him she didn't care what Ramsey would do to him. I hoped he would have told her that her brothers were alive right then and there, but I guess he is still Reek. :( His acting was amazing... pretty much what any decent person would be feeling with that horrible scene.

[Guest]

Oh man, my heart was already broken when Sansa told him she didn't care what Ramsey would do to him. I hoped he would have told her that her brothers were alive right then and there, but I guess he is still Reek. :( His acting was amazing... pretty much what any decent person would be feeling with that horrible scene.

Definitely agree. I sincerely hope that Theon does something to honor the Starks in the next episode. Hopefully he will bring in Brienne, or help Sansa escape. I have to hope :(

[Shadiou]

I'm considering not watching this episode when it airs tonight. Or at least fast-forwarding this scene :crying:

[Rusalochka]

I'm considering not watching this episode when it airs tonight. Or at least fast-forwarding this scene :crying:

you wouldn't be alone. I'm reading so many people are no longer going to watch, and most are just waiting for the books. some people haven't even tuned into season 5 because they knew about the changes.

I honestly wouldn't mind a LSH Sansa. I've read a lot of posts on why people aren't down for this... but after that scene... why not?

Edit: and I don't mean she has to die.

[Trickrs]

I'm considering not watching this episode when it airs tonight. Or at least fast-forwarding this scene :crying:

it's 30 seconds long and the episode ends right after.

[JonCon's Red Beard]

http://www.salon.com/2013/10/11/the_trouble_with_rape_revenge_heroism_partner/

As someone who worships at the altar of Tarantino, it’s difficult for me to criticize his work. That being said, “Kill Bill” falls into the same trap as have many films before it—that is, using rape as an emotional catalyst for a female hero’s journey. While sexual assault is worthy of in depth exploration on screen, these rape and revenge films do not depict the reality of how these assaults can affect women. Rather, they look to fetishize the act and use it as motivation for unabashed gore and violence. What should be empowering films featuring women rising out of past trauma to exact justice are often instead turned into a form of torture porn.

Posted in another thread, better put it here too.

[Shadiou]

My thoughts: http://gotgifsandmusings.tumblr.com/post/119245925832/on-sansa

I'm too angry to put this in better context.

You've summarised my horror and loathing at this story arc really well. Think I'll get my boyfriend to just tell me when its all over and stock up on the ice-cream to get me through this scene.

[1234567]

I honestly wouldn't mind a LSH Sansa. I've read a lot of posts on why people aren't down for this... but after that scene... why not?

Edit: and I don't mean she has to die.

Because rape=empowerment is one of the nastiest and sexist tropes going (honestly that has become my bloody mantra in the last half hour).

[Aleenys]

You know what gets me the most? The fact that they had that scene with Tyrion and the whore in a previous episode and decided, fuck no, Tyrion is not a rapist, he's not that bad of a guy to do that (in fact in the books he did) so he charms the whore with his wonderful wits and says "he can't."

Because we cannot taint Tyrion that way. Oh no, raping someone is far worse a character tarnish than having another main character be raped. It is not a problem when a female character is on the receiving(*blegh*) end of it.

Fuck these morons.

Do these guys have any idea? How can someone nonchalantly write a rape scene and have a character get over it in the next few episodes? Some people are so traumatized by that experience that if they do get over it, it takes a long time.

Like seriously, how could they have signed off on this shit and even thought it was a good idea? How can the idiots who claim to love a character NOT see a fault in this? What books have they been reading with Sansa's sufferings, how does it make ANY sense to put her in a victim role again? So they can get their golden boy Theon a grand, worthwhile heroic moment? Gross bastards.

[1234567]

http://www.salon.com/2013/10/11/the_trouble_with_rape_revenge_heroism_partner/

As someone who worships at the altar of Tarantino, it’s difficult for me to criticize his work. That being said, “Kill Bill” falls into the same trap as have many films before it—that is, using rape as an emotional catalyst for a female hero’s journey. While sexual assault is worthy of in depth exploration on screen, these rape and revenge films do not depict the reality of how these assaults can affect women. Rather, they look to fetishize the act and use it as motivation for unabashed gore and violence. What should be empowering films featuring women rising out of past trauma to exact justice are often instead turned into a form of torture porn.

Posted in another thread, better put it here too.

Exceptionally well said.

[Nihlus]

Is it bad that I'm more upset about what was done to Roose in this episode (moron who's apparently going to get played by LF and can't plan for shit) than Sansa? I guess it's because I already knew this was going to happen and... well, not accepted it, but prepared for it.

My thoughts: http://gotgifsandmusings.tumblr.com/post/119245925832/on-sansa

I'm too angry to put this in better context.

• The plotline made no sense for any player at all. Not for Roose, Littlefinger, or Sansa. They moved characters where they needed to and fuck logic fuck themes because they wanted to rape Sansa. Never forget.
  

You just beautifully described the show in a nutshell.

[nationalanthem91]

EW just posted an interview that Sophie did this weekend about episode 6 on their website and hour or two ago. Basically, she talks about how she "loved the horrific scene", which I found a bit odd, but maybe she knows something we don't. Anyway, near the end, she mentions Ramsay and how the remainder of the season is Sansa "attempting to read into his intentions and trying to please him"...something along those lines. I would post the link but I'm not sure if I'm allowed to. Thoughts?

[JonCon's Red Beard]

Because rape=empowerment is one of the nastiest and sexist tropes going (honestly that has become my bloody mantra in the last half hour).

It also kinda makes Sansa looks like an asshole that needed to suffer the Boltons personally to want them dead, despite what they did to Winterfell, the people who lived there and her own family. I'm not saying she is but come on... did she need THAT to feel she needed to kill them? Now we'll never know. But so far, on screen, it will look like she did because Ramsay raped her, not because he was a cruel psycho who had it coming.

This is the problem with bad writing. It fucks up too much. :dunno:

[Elba the Intoner]

http://www.salon.com/2013/10/11/the_trouble_with_rape_revenge_heroism_partner/

As someone who worships at the altar of Tarantino, it’s difficult for me to criticize his work. That being said, “Kill Bill” falls into the same trap as have many films before it—that is, using rape as an emotional catalyst for a female hero’s journey. While sexual assault is worthy of in depth exploration on screen, these rape and revenge films do not depict the reality of how these assaults can affect women. Rather, they look to fetishize the act and use it as motivation for unabashed gore and violence. What should be empowering films featuring women rising out of past trauma to exact justice are often instead turned into a form of torture porn.

Posted in another thread, better put it here too.

Exceptionally well said. I offer up the movie "The Accused" with Jodie Foster and Kelly McGillis as an excellent example of his to handle that kind of storyline. I'm too disgusted right now to post anything else coherent.

[Tagganaro]

It also kinda makes Sansa looks like an asshole that needed to suffer the Boltons personally to want them dead, despite what they did to Winterfell, the people who lived there and her own family. I'm not saying she is but come on... did she need THAT to feel she needed to kill them? Now we'll never know. But so far, on screen, it will look like she did because Ramsay raped her, not because he was a cruel psycho who had it coming.

This is the problem with bad writing. It fucks up too much. :dunno:

Well, I mean she went to Winterfell in the first place based on the promise of revenge. She never bought into the Boltons for even a second, and was always biding her time. I don't think THAT has changed her motivations at all. I think THAT has just sped up the timeline.

[nationalanthem91]

Can I just say Ramsay's little smirk after Sansa said "I take this man" was predatory as hell? Damn, and I thought the look Littlefinger gave her coming down those steps in S4 was creepy. As disgusting and terrible as Ramsay is, Iwan just pulls him off so perfectly. Truly an awful character.