The Anti-Targ Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 1 hour ago, Risto said: Yeah... It seems that the concept of distance is far less important when you can ran at speed of Mach 1. If that is the point, than I would be OK. But we all know better. Thing is that we have Iris and that Barry will never be "done" with the romance. I am also infuriated by how Joe, his father figure, is so OK with him not having love with his love. The award for the worse parenting on TV, snatched from Cersei Lannister, goes to Joe West. Like seriously, "I am totally cool, my dear boy, with the fact you won't be having any love in your life". Yeah, actually I thought Joe was going to tell him not to give up on Patty. But hey, maybe he secretly wants Iris and Barry to be together so he's happy to facilitate the demise of any rival relationship, albeit not actively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red snow Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 7 hours ago, Red Tiger said: Same. I also agree with the rest of the thread that Patty was pointless as well. I dont see the point with bringing in these girlfriends who add nothing to the story or any growth. Barry still hasn't learned shit. Also, even if Patty goes to the other side of the country, whats to stop Zoom from getting her anyway? All it has established is that Barry is emotionally inept when it comes to relationships, a serial liar and pretty heartless. 1 hour ago, Risto said: Yeah... It seems that the concept of distance is far less important when you can ran at speed of Mach 1. If that is the point, than I would be OK. But we all know better. Thing is that we have Iris and that Barry will never be "done" with the romance. I am also infuriated by how Joe, his father figure, is so OK with him not having love with his love. The award for the worse parenting on TV, snatched from Cersei Lannister, goes to Joe West. Like seriously, "I am totally cool, my dear boy, with the fact you won't be having any love in your life". It was one of the first times I've been left scratching my head with Joe. He's usually one of the most consistently mature/well written of the show. But that scene did feel off with him essentially clapping him on the back for being a douche. I also thought the earlier scene was going to have Joe say something like "you're already hurting her, Barry, man-up" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEyedGhost Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 11 minutes ago, red snow said: It was one of the first times I've been left scratching my head with Joe. He's usually one of the most consistently mature/well written of the show. But that scene did feel off with him essentially clapping him on the back for being a douche. I also thought the earlier scene was going to have Joe say something like "you're already hurting her, Barry, man-up" It makes me wonder how often Jesse Martin changes his own lines in the past to reflect actual human behavior, and maybe he's starting to phone it in (or just how a bad day filming there). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red snow Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 18 minutes ago, RedEyedGhost said: It makes me wonder how often Jesse Martin changes his own lines in the past to reflect actual human behavior, and maybe he's starting to phone it in (or just how a bad day filming there). I also get the impression that Jesse Martin maybe riffs on the script to the show's benefit. Maybe he was having an off-day or busy thinking the character would probably be more distracted about his new-found sun and dying wife Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mladen Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 50 minutes ago, red snow said: It was one of the first times I've been left scratching my head with Joe. He's usually one of the most consistently mature/well written of the show. But that scene did feel off with him essentially clapping him on the back for being a douche. I also thought the earlier scene was going to have Joe say something like "you're already hurting her, Barry, man-up" Oh, yeah... One would think that Joe would have raised Barry NOT TO BE that sort of douche. Because, by the end of the episode, I was thought that entire episode made Barry look like a real douche. Like, totally not cool, bro. 1 hour ago, The Anti-Targ said: Yeah, actually I thought Joe was going to tell him not to give up on Patty. But hey, maybe he secretly wants Iris and Barry to be together so he's happy to facilitate the demise of any rival relationship, albeit not actively. I truly hope this will make some sense... The problem is that this season is quite off and on, more off than usual. Like, the jokes are not as funny, entire arcs are being pointless, Iris is getting worse than Laurel, like entirely irrelevant. The thing with Wally is moving at un-Flashy rate. Jay, Gods know why we need him... Like seriously,this was so "kinda OK to watch it" in Season 1. Now, it is just "What am I watching?" Both Arrow and Flash are not having their year this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Anti-Targ Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 20 minutes ago, red snow said: I also get the impression that Jesse Martin maybe riffs on the script to the show's benefit. Maybe he was having an off-day or busy thinking the character would probably be more distracted about his new-found sun and dying wife You'd think being reflective about his wife and son would make him feel like close relationships and love are more important to have in life, and not steer Barry in the opposite direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Tiger Posted January 28, 2016 Author Share Posted January 28, 2016 1 hour ago, red snow said: All it has established is that Barry is emotionally inept when it comes to relationships, a serial liar and pretty heartless. Which makes it really hard for me root for him. Barry Allen is not a good man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon AS Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 2 hours ago, red snow said: It was one of the first times I've been left scratching my head with Joe. He's usually one of the most consistently mature/well written of the show. But that scene did feel off with him essentially clapping him on the back for being a douche. I also thought the earlier scene was going to have Joe say something like "you're already hurting her, Barry, man-up" I'm not saying it's necessarily consistent, but Joe has some really... interesting tendencies, exemplified mostly in the way he treats Iris. Forbidding her to become a cop, insisting on keeping her in the dark about Barry's powers, telling Eddie that if Joe consented to the two of them getting married (which he also refused to do), Eddie would have decision-making powers over Iris' life... This season he revealed how very, very much he would have liked to have a son (while seemingly neglecting his daughter; you know, the one whose fiancé just died in an effort to save the world from Barry's stupidity?) and when he found out about Wally, he immediately imagined all the things the kid could never have learned properly growing up because his biological father wasn't in the picture. That last part actually kind of explains why he seemed to be more supportive of Barry than Iris from the very start, but it sure does not make him look good. 1 hour ago, Risto said: Both Arrow and Flash are not having their year this season. I think Arrow is mostly on form this year, completely pointless flashbacks notwithstanding. The Flash is losing a lot of the shine that made it possible to ignore the flaws in the first season, mostly by making the same mistakes that Arrow has already made repeatedly over the years: insisting on melodramatic plots that accomplish nothing but making us dislike the characters involved, and keeping useless characters that eat up screentime around for no good reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEyedGhost Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Speaking of Iris' mother: what kind of junkie abandons her family while pregnant, and keeps that baby? That makes zero fucking sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Pepper Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Well if Joe treated her like he thinks Iris should be treated - not even capable of making her own decisions, controlling - then the need to escape might have been so great that it could have felt like a matter of life and death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of Ashes Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Well, for a show that borders on hatewatch for me, I thought this was a decent ep. Nice how they tied in the saga of the Wild Wests with Tar Pit and Wells. Must've been such a shock to Joe and Barry when Wells told the truth ( yeah, I know he didn't mention killing the Turtle but when was this show consistent?). It was hypocritical for Joe and Barry to say they miss Patty but that's the sort of thing I've come to expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon AS Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 1 hour ago, Knight of Ashes said: Must've been such a shock to Joe and Barry when Wells told the truth Yeah, no wonder Joe lost it. His entire worldview was threatened by that much honesty. Of course more screentime for Iris means making her a victim so the men in her life can worry about her... But hey, Barry almost came across as heroic in his speech at the end there. Maybe there is hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of Ashes Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 10 minutes ago, Jon AS said: Yeah, no wonder Joe lost it. His entire worldview was threatened by that much honesty. My thoughts exactly when he punched Harry. Clearly, honesty wasn't part of Joe's much lauded parental teachings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Tiger Posted February 3, 2016 Author Share Posted February 3, 2016 From IGN "Wells has evolved into the most complex and tormented character on the show this season. The audience has every reason to hate him as he schemes behind everyone’s backs and plots to betray Barry to Zoom. But it’s impossible to hate Wells." ...No, It is not, I hate Wells a ton, but not for the fact that he is scheming, I hate him because he's the biggest moron in a series full of them. Suppose Zoom does get Barry's speed. What is to stop Zoom from going back on his word (not giving Jesse back or giving her back as a corpse) and what's to stop Zoom from doing something worse afterwards? Who's gonna stop him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selysin Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Well they do say that every villain is the hero of his own story but this is getting kind of ridiculous. Team Flash has probably broken more laws than the people they're trying to stop by now. And who would ever tell them anything when their response is assault and illegal imprisonment? At least the villains seem to know that what they're doing is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxom 1974 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 So the Network crossovers begin... This'll be fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Bauer 24 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 37 minutes ago, Jaxom 1974 said: So the Network crossovers begin... This'll be fun! First crossover will take place on Supergirl March 28th. Sadly it seems nobody here is still watching it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveSumm Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 So.......Supergirl takes place in Earth 2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxom 1974 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 22 minutes ago, Jack Bauer 24 said: First crossover will take place on Supergirl March 28th. Sadly it seems nobody here is still watching it. I'm watching Supergirl. Actually have Mrs. Jax watching it too. Sadly, we're not watching it other than on the DVR at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon AS Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Does a one-sided crossover suggest that Supergirl is perceived to be in need of a ratings boost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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