Tharvot Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Anyone notice that when Jon and that Thenn go into the hutt, the White Walker just walks in ignoring the fire around him? In fact it seemed to fade away when he walked. I thought the Others don't attack in daylight/warm conditions because they are vulnerable to it. Only dragonglass can harm a walker (or Valyrian Steel) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemiNymph Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Don't forget the magic of the red gods, assuming they are legit, they may be a viable counter to an other as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tharvot Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Don't forget the magic of the red gods, assuming they are legit, they may be a viable counter to an other as well. Maybe, but there's nothing but speculation to go on there. Certainly dragon fire would be viable counters to those ice demons seeing as dragon glass and steel forged by dragon flame works pretty well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DireGhost Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 A friend of mine had a question that I wanted to pose here on the forum. When Sam killed the wight with dragonglass, he says that it "burned up" for lack of a better word (at work and can't go back to watch and see). When Jon killed the WW, it shattered into thousands of shards of ice. Does anyone think there is any significance to that difference? Dragonglass burns them and valyrian steel shatters them? Or is it just a coincidence of how the showrunners portrayed it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemiNymph Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Maybe, but there's nothing but speculation to go on there. Certainly dragon fire would be viable counters to those ice demons seeing as dragon glass and steel forged by dragon flame works pretty well. We've already seen 2 seperate red priests perform magic. It's not pure speculation. So it is certainly possible, or rather, very probable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oursisthefury69 Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 We've already seen 2 seperate red priests perform magic. It's not pure speculation. So it is certainly possible, or rather, very probable. it isnt but say what you will i suppose. I dont see the series coming down to Moqorro and Melisandre standing across from the Others on an open field rubbing their temples and humming but im crazy so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grufolo Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Fire has to come from the Earth (such as the fires of Valyria which were volcanic in origin, or the ones that cause silicon to vitrify into obsidian), possibly also magic fires can do but what obsidian and valysian steel have in common is that they are produces through hi-temp. earth-sourced heat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabutsu Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 A friend of mine had a question that I wanted to pose here on the forum. When Sam killed the wight with dragonglass, he says that it "burned up" for lack of a better word (at work and can't go back to watch and see). When Jon killed the WW, it shattered into thousands of shards of ice. Does anyone think there is any significance to that difference? Dragonglass burns them and valyrian steel shatters them? Or is it just a coincidence of how the showrunners portrayed it? Sam's WW also shattered, it just took a bit longer. When Sam stabbed his WW, it has time to turn around and let out a scream as cracks spread across it's body, before it shattered. Jon's WW just breaks into a thousand pieces as soon as he hits it with Longclaw. I think it's purely cinematic, although it could be suggesting that "dragonsteel" is a little more effective at killing WW's than "dragonglass". I don't think it really matters though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfOfWinter Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 I doubt dragonfire's effective against Others. That seems to be too easy a solution for something GRRM's been building up to for 5, probably 6, books. I think it's more likely that the dragons will be rendered useless during the coldest period in history. Wasn't there a dragon that couldn't get off ground during a regular storm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weeping Sore Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 What about wildfire? Maybe it wouldn't destroy a WW, but it would be an effective defense against wights. Also, if defeat was certain it would be better to immolate the living rather than have them become wights as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErasmusF Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Wildfire is magic, so yeah, it would work against the WW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tharvot Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 We've already seen 2 seperate red priests perform magic. It's not pure speculation. So it is certainly possible, or rather, very probable. They produce magic yes. That magic's usefulness vs a WW is pure speculation. The ONLY things that aren't speculation are dragonglass and dragon steel. One would probably be safe to assume dragon fire is also super effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingelheim Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Fire harms Wights, not Others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hangover of the Morning Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Why didn't they sent the fence on fire to give themselves time to fight off the wights? I know that the weather wasn't exactly on their side and there wasn't much time but still was surprised that the Wildlings haven't tried to use fire to their advantage. You would have thought that by now they would have built some ditches or barricades around Hardhome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intheswamp Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Obsidian kills the Others. So, you just need to get the supply chains up and running. The usefulness of Valyrian Steel is that not only is it able to kill Others, but it is a superior blade against other weapons and armor. Obsidian is not a good material against standard weapons and armor making it less useful against wights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hangover of the Morning Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Obsidian kills the Others. So, you just need to get the supply chains up and running. The usefulness of Valyrian Steel is that not only is it able to kill Others, but it is a superior blade against other weapons and armor. Obsidian is not a good material against standard weapons and armor making it less useful against wights. True but obsidian is easier to find and you can make arrow heads out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connartist92 Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Only wights are killed by fire.However Dragonfire could yet kill a White Walker, especially since Valyrian Steel obviously can kill one. According to this episode, swords are arrows will do the trick. :bang: D&D fucked up once again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tharvot Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 According to this episode, swords are arrows will do the trick. :bang: D&D fucked up once again You are misreading the quote. It said "only wights are killed by fire" not "wights are only killed by fire". Fire kills the undead minions, doesn't kill the white walkers. Similarly, obsidian kills the white walkers but has no effect on the undead wights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrammarYatzy Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 I wonder if the wall is made out of ice and not fire because the others can make stuff colder and put out fire but the ice wall they can't really do anything to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoamingRonin Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 PEOPLE:The White Walker doesn't ignore the fire. The cold winds and snow blow into the room and the fire shrinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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