Ruby Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 Originally, we tried to keep them down to 15 mi/day, but that just doesn't give them enough time to finish the book before Joffrey's next nameday. They ended up going 25 mi/day. We just have to pretend that people and horses walk faster in ASOIAF. I've been shadowing this thread for a little bit, and here's my theory. If you think about it, there are some good days to travel and some not so good days to travel... I think that the average mi/day could vary. If it's really nice weather outside, people can walk longer and even faster. On the other hand in really bad weather people can only go so far, and this is where you're gonna see the breakdowns. Mud and snow also play a big factor in how fast they move. I do think that 25 mi/day is a decent average for the miles traveled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Adequate Jon Posted April 4, 2008 Author Share Posted April 4, 2008 I've updated the dates in the timelines, so that Joffrey's wedding will occur on 1/1/300. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Ent Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 I just realized that Dany only has nine months before the end of the book to have her baby. I've adjusted Dany timeline to make this possible. The only problem that this causes is that news of her wedding now takes 5 months to reach Ned and Robert. This isn't too big of a deal because we really don't know how far that news would have to travel, and that news would take a long time because it would not be carried by raven. If we need to, we can adjust her timeline further by saying she gave birth earlier than the full nine months. Thanks for doing this. I have just started merging your timeline with my own endeavours. Have you solved the Dany problem? In your current timeline, the wedding is in the 2nd half of July 298. We know that she didn't get pregnant immediately (she is "schooled in the arts of love" first by one of her handmaids). But even if we assume pregnancy on the wedding night that puts her only in the 8th month of her pregnancy in your timeline, maybe early 9th. Is that deliberate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Ent Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 I've updated the dates in the timelines, so that Joffrey's wedding will occur on 1/1/300. When do you have the Kings Landing riots? (Myrcella leaves for Dorne, Tyrion Stokeworth is conceived.) I have that at 1 Jul 299. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Adequate Jon Posted May 8, 2008 Author Share Posted May 8, 2008 I had that on 14 July 299, although there is some wiggle room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Ent Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 I had that on 14 July 299, although there is some wiggle room. I can live with the 14th. Is your list in some format you'd like to share? Having finally discovered the wonderful timeline widget I've started converting my data to XML. So some editing is imminent anyway, and I'd like to see you stuff for the last half of 299 and for 300. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Adequate Jon Posted May 8, 2008 Author Share Posted May 8, 2008 I have it in an Excel spreadsheet. I've only gotten halfway though ASOS because the timeline isn't a very high priority for me right now. However, I did add your AFFC timeline to the bottom of the spreadsheet. You can download it here. (This link will only be active temporarily because I really shouldn't be using the website like this.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Ent Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 (This link will only be active temporarily because I really shouldn't be using the website like this.) Got it. Thanks. I'm really grateful for the Dany timeline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errant Bard Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 I can't see the end of my ACOK reread, so let's see how my own reread syncs with the others: 04/06/83 Cat's Wedding 24/04/86 Joff birth 01/02/97 Dany arrives in Pentos 03/08/97 Dany 1 Dany meets Drogo, Dany is 13 02/10/97 Dany 2 Wedding 21/04/98 Joffrey's name day 11/05/98 Prologue Waymar dies 05/05/98 Jon Arryn Dies 25/05/98 Vyserys humilated, Rhaego born 31/05/98 Bran 1 Gared caught 31/05/98 Cat 1 message from KL 19/06/98 Dany becomes pregnant 29/07/98 Ned 1 Robert Arrive àWF 29/07/98 Jon 1 Welcoming feast 03/08/98 Dany 3 Dany's Birthday (14) – other side of Dothraki sea 03/08/98 Arya 1 Crooked stiches 04/08/98 Cat 2 Decision to go South, Jon to NW 18/08/98 Dany 4 Vyserys mounted again – arrives in Vaes Dothrak 18/08/98 Bran 2 Things I do for love 23/08/98 Tyrion 1 Slaps Joffrey 31/08/98 Jon 2 Leaving WF, « should have been you » 08/09/98 Cat 3 Assassin to kill Bran 10/09/98 Ned 2 News of Dany's wedding, Barrowlands 12/09/98 Cat 3 Cat part de WF 18/09/98 Tyrion 2 camp, not yet at the wall 29/09/98 Benjen part 01/10/98 Sam is 15 and kicked out of Horn Hill 24/10/98 Sansa 1 Ruby ford, Nymeria attaque Joff 28/10/98 Ned 3 Darry – Lady killed 02/11/98 Jon's birthday 06/11/98 Cat 4 Arrive a KL 11/11/98 Bran 3 Three eyed crow - Bran dreams and wakes up 11/11/98 Ned 4 Arrive àKL, parle àCat 16/11/98 Jon 3 Reçoit nouvelle Bran 17/11/98 Arya 2 Argument Sansa. « lone wolf dies, pack survives » 18/11/98 Tyrion 4 Jon practiced with his friend enough to see a difference 18/11/98 Bran's birthday 20/11/98 Syrio Forel 21/11/98 Cat leaves KL 23/11/98 Ned gets news of Bran 25/11/98 Bran 4 Tyrion in Winterfell, Bran's birthday within last month 03/12/98 Ned 5 news of Bran+deja syrio 19/12/98 Tyrion arrives in crossroad inn (mini) 19/12/98 Cat 5 Crossroad Inn, Tyrion captured 21/12/98 Ned 6 Every Inn full, Beric arrive, enquête avance 21/12/98 Tyrion 5 on the road 24/12/98 Arya 3 Yoren: Tyrion+Cat. Varys+Illyrio: Dany preg 29/12/98 Cat 6 Reaches bloody gate 30/12/98 Cat in Eyrie 03/01/99 Sansa 2 Hand's tourney 04/01/99 Ned 7 Final joust 06/01/99 Ned 8 Quarrels with Robert, quit being hand 06/01/99 Ned 9 Jaime ambushes Ned 07/01/99 Robb prepares war after Cat's message 13/01/99 Ned 10 Slept 7 nights, Robert goes hunting 14/01/99 Jon 4 Enter Sam 16/01/99 Tyrion 6 in prison, ask for trial 17/01/99 Cat 7 Tyrion's trial – Bronn wins. Tywin amassing troops 18/01/99 Tyrion 7 At the bloody gate 19/01/99 Dany 5 Dosh Khaleen prophecy – Vyserys dies 19/01/99 Bran 5 Osha, dancer 14/01/99 Ned 11 Sends the BwB against Gregor 15/01/99 Sansa 3 Sansa learns she has to go away from KL 18/01/99 Melisandre in Dragonstone 21/01/99 Ned 12 Ned warns Cersei 24/01/99 Ned 13 Robert dies 25/01/99 Ned 14 Sansa runs to Cersei, Ned betrayed 25/01/99 Arya 4 Escapes 27/01/99 Sansa 4 Talks to Cersei, writes letter 29/01/99 Battle of the red fork (beric killed) 06/02/99 Jon 5 night watch vows 07/02/99 Jon 6 Sam made brother, ghost finds hand 08/02/99 Jon 7 News of Ned, Undead attack 08/02/99 Sansa's letter arrives 09/02/99 Bran 6 Robb leaves Winterfell 13/02/99 Battle of the Golden Tooth 23/02/99 Battle of Riverrun 24/02/99 Dany 6 Poisoning, caravan 25/02/99 Cat 8 arrives at moat caillin 26/02/99 Khalasar leaves VD 26/02/99 Sansa 5 pleads for Ned 01/03/99 Ned 15 Varys coaxing him to admit treason 03/03/99 Arya 5 Ned Beheaded 04/03/99 Tyrion 8 Reaches crossroad Inn with clans – Masha Heddle dead 05/03/99 Cat 9 At the twins 05/03/99 Renly crowned king 11/03/99 Dany 7 Lhazareen – lamb city 12/03/99 Jon 8 Given Longclaw, Robb is marching 12/03/99 Cat 10 Whispering wood 13/03/99 Battle of Riverrun 2 13/03/99 Bran 7 News of Ned's death 14/03/99 Tyrion 9 Battle of the green Fork 14/03/99 Cat 11 enters Riverrun – King in the North 17/03/99 Jon 9 Jon tries to escape 19/03/99 Tyrion 10 Hears news of WW and RR. Tyrion sent to court 19/03/99 Gregor, Vargo & anory unleashed 20/03/99 Dany 8 Rhaego dies, Drogo dies 22/03/99 Sansa 6 Joff showing her Ned's head 30/03/99 Dany 9 Khalasar gone 31/03/99 Dany 10 Dragons, comet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errant Bard Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 About the Dany timeline, we know she is 9 month younger than Jon, and we have Jon's fifteenth birthday, roughly, happening one week or two before Jon III. Her wedding takes place when Dany is 13. Since you placed Jon III on december 9, that makes Dany's 15th birthday happen late July/early august 299, and subsequently, her bethrotal aroung July/august 297, way before may 298. Also, she reaches 14 in Dany III, on the other side of the Dothraki sea, near Vaes Dothrak, so around August/July 298, that's when she notices she is pregnant. To stretch things a maximum, I considered her handmaids noticed the "soft swell of her belly" after 45 days or so, and that's really early though possible given Dany slender frame, and that makes Dany 10 happen some 7 months and a half after Dany III, around March 15, at max. The 4 months between the handmaids noticing Dany's pregnancy and Varys knowing, in Arya 3, would be because any spy would have to notice, then arrive in Vaes Dothrak, dispatch a message via a caravan to pentos, then Illyrio would have to arrange his affairs, and jump on a galley to KL. News of Robert wanting Dany's head arrived the same way (though faster, I assume a caravan was already on the way and Illyrio sent a bird to Qohor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaston de Foix Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 This may not be the right forum but since people are working so assiduously on dates- does anyone know how old Bran would be when last we saw him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errant Bard Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 I didn't do any timeline for ASOS, but considering he turns 8 in AGOT in november 298 and that we last saw him, roughly, around january 300, when Sam led him to Coldhands, then I guess he was 9 and some months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Adequate Jon Posted May 13, 2008 Author Share Posted May 13, 2008 I never considered that Dany was 9 months younger than Jon. I'll rework my timeline to reflect that soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Adequate Jon Posted May 19, 2008 Author Share Posted May 19, 2008 EB, why does Dany have to meet Drogo a whole year before she becomes pregnant? Does it state that Dany I happens on or near her Name Day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errant Bard Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 Yes, in Dany 1, she meets Drogo, and we are told that this day is her thirteen birthday, then in Dany 3, where we get all the traveling from Pentos to Vaes Dothrak, she turns fourteen when her handmaids tell her she is pregnant. It's explicitly said, no room for misinterpretation. What can be shifted is how much time passed until the handmaids noticed her pregnancy, I assumed it was something like 1 month and a half, as it suited my timeline to stretch her subsequent stay in Vaes Dothrak, but it could be theoretically possible to have the maids notice only during the third month or more. (though, the vomiting takes place after Dany 3, so 3 month is maybe stretching things a bit) ETA: the only thing I have trouble in AGOT is to match Tyrion with Catelyn at the crossroads inn. I ended assuming it was an author's oversight, since no matter what, Tyrion rides south way too fast, and Catelyn has to stay in KL, take her sweet time up the road and lie to Marillion to stretch things enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFDanny Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 Yes, in Dany 1, she meets Drogo, and we are told that this day is her thirteen birthday... Sorry, am I missing something? In my read of the chapter I see that she is thirteen, but not that her thirteenth nameday takes place in it. She is given gifts, but I take them to be given to her on the occasion of her meeting with Khal Drogo, not as birthday presents. Perhaps I missed it, could you point it out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFDanny Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 This may not be the right forum but since people are working so assiduously on dates- does anyone know how old Bran would be when last we saw him? We know Bran is nine years old when we last saw him. In ACoK he thinks of his ninth name day having "finally come and gone" on page 326 (US Hardback.) This is when the news of the Robb's victory at Oxcross, and Ser Stevron Frey's death reach Winterfell. We know this is in year 299, because it falls between two known dates of that year - Joffrey's 13th name day at the start of ACoK and Joffery's Wedding (when he is still 13) in ASoS on New Year's day 300. Which, of course, also tells us Bran was born in the Year 290. We also know Bran has not turned 10 by the time we last see him in the Nightfort. We know this because of two separate facts - Tommen's age in AFfC and the election of Jon Snow as the Lord Commander of the Night's Watch. Cersei reports Jon's election, something that takes place after Sam leaves Bran with Coldhands, to her small council in AFfC page 248 (UK Hardback) and we find that Tommen is still eight much later in that story line (AFfC 350). Because Tommen's name day falls before Bran's, but he is born in the year following Bran's - or Year 291, his ninth name day must come before Bran turns 10 (this is why they are both the same age of seven when Robert's party comes to Winterfell.) Because this hasn't happened by the time the news of Jon's election reaches King's Landing, we know that the earlier event of Bran's escape beyond the Wall is before Bran turns 10. Hope this is helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errant Bard Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 Sorry, am I missing something? In my read of the chapter I see that she is thirteen, but not that her thirteenth nameday takes place in it. She is given gifts, but I take them to be given to her on the occasion of her meeting with Khal Drogo, not as birthday presents. Perhaps I missed it, could you point it out?Can't before the week end, I don't have any copy by me. I'll check my notes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFDanny Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 Can't before the week end, I don't have any copy by me. I'll check my notes. no problem. when you get a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errant Bard Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 Ok, got my notes and my books, and I was totally mistaken on the thirteen birthday taking place during Dany 1. She is indeed thirteen then, but it not said that this day is her nameday. My only excuse is that I noted "Dany is 13" in my notes and read that as "Dany turns 13". Doesn't really changes anything in my timeline, on a quick review, except I will put Dany's Wedding closer to Ned 2, around march 298, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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