Stannistician Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 They actually did the unthinkable (D & D), they burnt Shireen. Questions: 1. Did D & D screw this up? 2. Did Stannis act out of character? (Book and Show Stannis) 3. Did Show Davos know or at least reasonably believe what was going to happen? Is this why he gave Shireen a present? Is this out of character for Davos to have not acted on his own and taken Shireen with him to Castle Black? 4. Does this spoil a possible burning of book Shireen? If so, would book Stannis have done this? What would be the circumstances? What implications, if any, does this have for book Stannis? 5. What now for Team Stannis in the show? 6. Was this scene purely for shock value? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oakenfist Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Stannis has done an unredeemable act, there's no going back after this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis is the man....nis Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 As a Mannis fan I shockingly didn't hate this scene as much as I thought the scene right before with "please forgive me" showed a emotional turmoil in Stannis that kinda makes the act tolerable.....to an extent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dielsis Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 They had to show Stannis isn't one of the good guys somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oakenfist Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 They had to show Stannis isn't one of the good guys somehow. Mission accomplished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ben Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 They said GRRM mentioned the scene to them so I think it'll happen in the book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzalo Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 A cheap move from the writers so viewers will root for Brienne or Daenerys killing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LmL Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Except that Stannis isn't anywhere near Shireen in the book. If she is burned, it won't be by Stannis. That's a pretty big difference. And just the kind of change they would think they could get away with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newstar Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 David Benioff from the 5x09 Inside the Episode on Shireen's burning: When George first told us about this, it was one of those moments that I remember looking at Dan, it was just, "Ugh, that's so horrible and so good in a story sense because it all comes together." You know, from the beginning, from the very first time we saw Stannis and Melisandre, they were sacrificing people, they were burning people alive on the beaches of Dragonstone, and it all comes to this... "When George first told us about this.""WHEN GEORGE FIRST TOLD US ABOUT THIS." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirthula Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 It is a shame indeed. Dany has no real contender. The iron throne is hers for the taking bye bye Stannis RIP. I never wanted anyone to deserve the ramsay bolton treatment. Theon did yes he killed children he deserved to be punished but even Theon we were willing to forgive not Stannis. Stannis deservers the Ramsay Bolton treatment. Killing your own child comes from a very dark place such a man can never be a leader of men. This crap about destiny is just him covering up his insanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzalo Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 I wonder what will Davos do now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rise Above Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 A cheap move from the writers so viewers will root for Brienne or Daenerys killing him. It isn't cheap if it's confirmed to happen in the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazawaza Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 thankfully, I doubt that this scene will occur in the books as their farther into the siege of winterfell, and Isn't shireen still at the wall in the books? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis is the man....nis Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 They had to show Stannis isn't one of the good guys somehow. Yeah but he isn't really a villian compared the following: Joffery: "I killed Ned for the lolz." Roose:"I stabbed Robb in the heart because he never listened to me." Stannis:"I killed my only daughter because a fire priestess told me unless I kill the one I love then me and all my men will die and I can't save Westeros from the White Walkers." One of these things is not like the other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chambraigne Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 The show runners explicitly state that GRRM told them Stannis would do this. Stannis apologists of the world, here is your king! I can't wait to hear how y'all are going to explain this away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chambraigne Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Except that Stannis isn't anywhere near Shireen in the book. If she is burned, it won't be by Stannis. That's a pretty big difference. And just the kind of change they would think they could get away with.This is what denial looks like, folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vyshan Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 I think it is was good, it would have been better if they had covered Nissa Nissa. Which would have made this more perfect IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rise Above Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 lol @ purists in denial about Shireen's burning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ben Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Davos knew it was going down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourMomsBox Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 I think people need to lay off D&D a bit on this. They SAID GRRM told them this was going to go down. I doubt they are lying so I believe them.In any case I agree he is not redeemable. There is no one to root for in the Battle for Winterfell. I hope Sansa and Theon escape and that every last man, Baratheon and Bolton burns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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