Direwight Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 I would've been fine with this whole Abraham's dillema, but the stakes (no pun intended) didn't seem nearly high enough to justify such a horrific act. Yeah, that's very much my problem with it. Firstly, Mel's only proven magical feat was killing Renly (which wasn't even using king's blood) and visions in the fire. Balon's leech not working is a very compelling reason to assume that her king's blood thing might not do anything at all. Secondly, the whole story about the siege of Storm's End paints Stannis as someone who'd definitely not burn his heir just to get out of being stuck in the snow with only horses to eat. The situation did not seem desperate enough to do something like that, when he couldn't be sure of the outcome. If he'd know that burning Shireen would teleport him onto the Iron Throne then I can see him doing that, but for a vague promise of the weather probably getting better? Doesn't make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MargarineBumps Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 I don't know if Stannis is present for this in the books or not. Certainly he could be--it's not like the characters can't travel. I just imagine that when this happens in the books there is somewhat better reasoning for it. And I imagine this simply for the sake of good storytelling, not because I think Stannis is a good guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 He was in war with his brother. It's debatable whether Stannis burned Mance. Regardless, Mance was sentenced to death given he betrayed his vows. His wife's uncle tried to betray him. Stannis did not burn people for refusing the fire god! Otherwise he would have ended up burning half his army including his hand. He burned guilty people. He reached the tipping point in DwD. And yet refused to burn anyone who was not guilty. Sorry I must have remembered wrong. I could have sworn he was doing that though >.< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coatzin Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Now I think Stannis will lose the battle for Winterfell to Ramsay and everything will develop more or less like in the show... :uhoh: edit: the worst part is that it works... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Fuel Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 I didn't see where this was going till the last line. Fucking hilarious!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red Pypar of Thorne Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Burning a King (Mance) did ZERO for them. Why would burning a child? (Obviously not talking books here)I put it under "bad writing". It can be argued that maybe Mel considers Mance a "false" king (not to mentiod it's a pretty vaguely defiend concept), so his blood is not valuable, but more probable explanation, imo, is that D&D didn't think it through. Characters have wasted gallons of king's blood with Mance and Maester Aemon, before realizing they might need some of it. Also not explaining Shireen why she has to die, is a **** move in it's own right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Fuel Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 I didn't see where this was going till the last line. Fucking hilarious!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Burning a King (Mance) did ZERO for them. Why would burning a child? (Obviously not talking books here) I actually thought they explained why that didn't work pretty well. Jon stole the kill- and the mercy killing robbed the sacrifice of it's power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westerosi Coast Gangster Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 If George had any hand in this then FUCK YOU MARTIN. I will never be able to root for Stannis like I once did. How can he sacrfice his heir? UTTER SHETT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles de Mar Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Every time Stannis burned or punished someone in the books it was because they committed some crime, at least in his eyes. As the books continue, I'm not sure what crime Shireen could commit for him to be willing to do that.So from the preview, it (allegedly) melts the snow. And Stannis and his army are going to Winterfell. Is he at Winterfell? or is he just drawing his sword at no one for dramatic effect?Kind of tough to see how Stannis could take Winterfell, considering they still have no food and their siege weapons were destroyed. Unless the Boltons are destroyed from within (fighting between Ramsay and Roose, or Sansa and Brienne)By the way, where did Ramsay's men get those highly combustible fire arrows and how did they know which tents had all the food and siege weapons in them? is that just a thing Northerners know?I think the Boltons are killed off in some way, as stated above, and Sansa reclaims Winterfell. Stannis doesn't take Winterfell because Brienne kills him. And we can all pretend that this is exactly how GRRM told D&D it would happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickeen Stark Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 I believe that Shireen was Stannis' Nissa Nissa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dany's Golden Fleece Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Stannis haters are having a field day today. Atleast someone is having fun. Now you know how us Dany fans feel every day here ;-) . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coatzin Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 The sadest part is that this renders the battle for Winterfell very uninteresting in the books too... :crying: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winterfell is Burning Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 it is TV, a character like bookstannis is too complex for that (unless you give him his own show). Non-sense, there's plenty of characters that are at least as equally complex as Stannis on TV. The issue is D&D being too incompetent or simply unwilling to portray complexity. There's plenty of shows deeper than GoT on TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frumpus Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 thankfully, I doubt that this scene will occur in the books as their farther into the siege of winterfell, and Isn't shireen still at the wall in the books? Jon is "dead" so nobody is going to stop Mel from killing Shireen. You forget that the whole thing is Mel's idea from the start. Stannis doesn't necessarily have to be there. It's pretty clear that Shireen gets killed in TWoW, and it was just poorly executed by the show due to the butterfly effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCasualObserver Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Jon is "dead" so nobody is going to stop Mel from killing Shireen. You forget that the whole thing is Mel's idea from the start. Stannis doesn't necessarily have to be there. It's pretty clear that Shireen gets killed in TWoW, and it was just poorly executed by the show due to the butterfly effect. If it happens, it will be with the Other's knocking on the gates. I cannot see Stannis coming even close to doing for with anything less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Winter Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Stannis use to be one of my favorite charactersNot any more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westerosi Coast Gangster Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Stannis use to be one of my favorite charactersNot any more... If it happens for real (in the books) then Stannis will never be the same to me. What D&D have done with this character is nothing short of unforgivable. It all started with the dark, villian music whenever Stannis' arc began and it has culminated with last nights horrorshow. BRAVO D&D, BRAVO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pashernate Reader Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Ya know, book Stannis wanted to burn a baby, so it can't be that out of character, folks. :dunno: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westerosi Coast Gangster Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Ya know, book Stannis wanted to burn a baby, so it can't be that out of character, folks. :dunno: Show me the text please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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