Dany's Golden Fleece Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 My only problem with jon being dead, is why would D&D then make note of the fact that Martin asked them 'who do you think jons mother is' before they were able to do the show, That would be a wee bit pointless. Unless jon is a huge red haring. but doubt it, Just because Jon is a Targ, doesn't mean he has to be special or a hero or anything. We assumed because it was hidden/secret that it was important to the story - it usual fiction this might be the case, but these books are not usual fiction. Like Mel, we look in the flames, see things and fit what we want around it. AA is bs and probably has always been that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durran Durrandon Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 Have they even discussed AA in show canon? I mean this works if so... Melisandre has referenced it in show, and there is a very brief exchange in the show about it between her and Aemon. Also, Thoros does resurrect Beric in the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narea Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 I did notice the shifting in Jon's eyes. The problem is that you only notice it because the shot itself is unnaturaly long. And unnaturaly weird. How come that they can do a good dying shot of pretty much any filler character or even an extra, but we don't get a normal death out of Jon Snow? I mean, the shot looks like it was taken hours after he dies and then he starts bleeding? On another note, this is the first ending shot of a season that doesn't end with camera focusing out on a larger landscape but focusing in on a very small one... Does this mean that I should kiss good closing shots goodbye? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Redeemed Hound Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 Maybe he will be LSH next season? Nothing changed colors. Like me, you were praying they would. They didn't. Don't fret. The Red Woman is around too. No other reason for her to be there other than helping in his rebirth. Unless Mel will be LSH next season? LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narea Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 I fret not, but the whole shot sucks as compared to the closing shots from previous seasons. It pisses me off. The whole season was meh, but to do this to a freaking closing shot!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Phedre Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 All the interviews keep saying "he is dead" definitively. So I am taking it to mean, yes he is officially dead and "dead is dead" etc, but that doesn't mean he can't come back from that. The question of Jon Snow's death being one of the biggest cliffhangers of ADWD, OF COURSE they will have Kit and D+D out in interviews saying that he's gone, that it was his last day on set, etc. Anything else would answer the question and end the speculation for book readers and show watchers alike. I think it's one big misdirection. Melisandre is back at the wall, the "showdown" with the Night's King, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abacabb Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 Yea they will push this "he's dead, its over" line on everyone until the buzz settles and the hype fades off.. then they'll get back to work. If you think KH will not be in this show after last night then you know nothing, show watcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xarkar Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 You really can not take anything said in an interview as true at this point. Everyone clearly has to answer that Jon is dead. Jon is not coming back, etc because anything other than that would spoil the intended cliffhanger. E10 should have been called "Cliffhangers" Jon - Shown to get stabbed, but everyone expects him to survive.Dany - Surrounded by a hoard of Dothraki with no Drogan - would likely be enslaved / deadMyrcella bloody nose -dead maybe.Stannis - sentanced to die - Dead maybeSansa / Theon - Suicide jump - logically dead, but we dont know.Arya - Blind (book readers understand but show viewers might think she is dying)Tyrion - Alive but hatching a plan with Varys (kind of up in the air)Dario/Jora -Yolo mission to save Dany on their own (seriously wtf)All the Tyrelles - No mention of them at all. I guess they chill in cells and the QoT is pouting.Littlefinger - Guess he is MIAMelisandra - Defeated but is at the wall why? Almost every single story line this season ended in some form of cliffhanger (other than possibly Cersei). Seems to me like D&D are really trying to let GRRM get his book out and conclude some of these cliffhangers before they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssls6 Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 A simple logic game..... Jon Snow is deadKit Harington is signed for S6, S7 therefore Kit Harington no longer plays Jon Snow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Météores D Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 Of course they are going to say he's dead. What else are they going to do? Spoil the next seasons by saying he comes back? Some people apparently still thought he was dying or warging or something else... Just a piece of info, they could've say nothing or only let Kit talk about it you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natalia Borgia Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 Have they even discussed AA in show canon? I mean this works if so... Also what Jaqen says to Arya in this episode which is part of FM/Many Faced God / Red God mythology- "Only Death May Pay for Life". So Shireen, Stannis, and Selyse can "pay" for Jon's life? Especially because Shireen already died and was sacrificed to Rhollor and Jon was killed in Ice? Technically doesn't the Red God owe a life? A poster from 2 years ago picked up on this: http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/79070-jaqen-hghar-and-the-red-god/ Also SPOILER: "Do you think this is an angle Martin is intentionally playing, like a kind of simmetry between life and death? Are there other instances of this in the series?And if so, do you think someone needs to die so Jon can be reborn?" posted by Jon of the Dead on this thread: http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/95994-only-death-can-pay-for-life-revisited/ Shit so D&D spoiled the shit out of TWOW by saying GRRM told them about Shireen- we know who "pays" for Jon's life now and it is probably Shireen and Mel kills her. The whole Olly plot was not a Chekhov's Gun it was a Red Herring. They think they are smarter than book nerds! Ha doubtful! To hammer home the point we have Jaqen tell ARYA who is the closest Stark to Jon " only death may pay for life". Also the horses? Mirri Maz Dur pretends that the horse will be enough but if Mel was lying to Stan she saw in the fires that Jon is AA reborn and she would need powerful blood magic to resurrect him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2MGg_8TF9g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregg22 Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 My only problem with jon being dead, is why would D&D then make note of the fact that Martin asked them 'who do you think jons mother is' before they were able to do the show, That would be a wee bit pointless. Unless jon is a huge red haring. but doubt it, Right? Really his whole death seems pointless at this stage. Especially without the pink letter and the intent to march on Winterfell. UNLESS when D&D answered GRRM correctly about Jon's parentage, he replied. "Yes thats right, good for you. Now if you can leave that completely out of your version, you can do the show." Maybe that was the deal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natalia Borgia Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 Have they even discussed AA in show canon? I mean this works if so... Also what Jaqen says to Arya in this episode which is part of FM/Many Faced God / Red God mythology- "Only Death May Pay for Life". So Shireen, Stannis, and Selyse can "pay" for Jon's life? Especially because Shireen already died and was sacrificed to Rhollor and Jon was killed in Ice? Technically doesn't the Red God owe a life? A poster from 2 years ago picked up on this: http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/79070-jaqen-hghar-and-the-red-god/ Also SPOILER: "Do you think this is an angle Martin is intentionally playing, like a kind of simmetry between life and death? Are there other instances of this in the series?And if so, do you think someone needs to die so Jon can be reborn?" posted by Jon of the Dead on this thread: http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/95994-only-death-can-pay-for-life-revisited/ Shit so D&D spoiled the shit out of TWOW by saying GRRM told them about Shireen- we know who "pays" for Jon's life now and it is probably Shireen and Mel kills her. The whole Olly plot was not a Chekhov's Gun it was a Red Herring. They think they are smarter than book nerds! Ha doubtful! To hammer home the point we have Jaqen tell ARYA who is the closest Stark to Jon " only death may pay for life". Also the horses? Mirri Maz Dur pretends that the horse will be enough but if Mel was lying to Stan she saw in the fires that Jon is AA reborn and she would need powerful blood magic to resurrect him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2MGg_8TF9g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cer Tarl Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 I really am starting to think that Lady Stoneheart was only introduced to the reader for context when Jon comes back and is merciless and becomes the Night King. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Smuggler Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 I really am starting to think that Lady Stoneheart was only introduced to the reader for context when Jon comes back and is merciless and becomes the Night King. how will he become that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
239JMFL34109 Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 I really am starting to think that Lady Stoneheart was only introduced to the reader for context when Jon comes back and is merciless and becomes the Night King. i read it as a fantasy version of PTSD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narea Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 i read it as a fantasy version of PTSD. You really shouldn't... In Jon's family, Aerys is the result of fantasy version of PTSD... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cer Tarl Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 how will he become that? here's my tinfoil theory, what if Melisandre realizes that it's Jon as the ptwp and she becomes enamored with him. The Nights King feel inlove with a foreign woman before (and she took his soul). edit: not sure if this is the right place, but Im very seriously considering Jaime Lannister as AA and Bran as the champion of the others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Zee Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 Regarding the lighting on Jon's eyes. I beleive thats called a reflection from the camera lights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayarts Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 I watched this twice (because I couldn't believe that he wouldn't say "Ghost") and noticed his eyecolor changing even on a rather small screen.But I brushed it aside as "you're imagining things". It damn right changes. How in the world could that be coincidence? GHOST PLEASE RESCUE US/THE SERIES!!! :bowdown: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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