SilentRoamer Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 We don't know how genealogy works in Earwa, I wouldn't be surprised if Nonman blood could hold true and Kellhus was actually half Nonman. There is also the difference in the physical strength of the Dunyain as opposed to other humans. Remember when Maithanet is surprised on how easily he can kill Inrilatus and comments on his "soft bones" which I always took as Inrilatus not having inherited the correct traits. The whole selective breeding program combined with the fact the First Anasurimbor was half nonman and we have no other exaplmes of mixed heritage just seems too fishy not to have greater relevance. I always think Kellhus inability to live in the present was a counterpoint to the Nonmans temporal cognitive dissonance and their ability to perceive time properly (hence the multi form 2d art). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sologdin Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 We don't know how genealogy works in Earwa the sexy ninjas of ishual may in fact believe, correctly, as it may well turn out, that there is no such thing as man-mothers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentRoamer Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Lol @ Solo Kellhus having a face similar enough to his ancestor of thousands of years ago that Mek can remember it seems suspect to me. Throw in the curiously absent Nonwomen and Dunyain feminine and I suspect something not "normal" about Kellhus production/ancestry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hello World Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Axolotl, it is known. Also speaking of Mimi's father, there is two people in the series where Bakker keeps going on about how much they resemble their dad/mom, Kellhus and Mimara. Kellhus because he was born in a tank, and Mimara because, like I said before, immaculate conception. The two represent opposite sides of a spectrum btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokisnow Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Kell and moe both born from kelmoe--whoops I mean celmomas, innocent slip--"seeds" left in Ishual. The defectives in the face room were literally Kells clone brothers, just as moe is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry of the Lawn Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Lol @ Solo Kellhus having a face similar enough to his ancestor of thousands of years ago that Mek can remember it seems suspect to me. Throw in the curiously absent Nonwomen and Dunyain feminine and I suspect something not "normal" about Kellhus production/ancestry. Or did Mek recognize him from having met Moe thirty years earlier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sologdin Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 is there a consciousness upload involved each time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Bryar Ashford Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Wonder if Mimara's father is Moe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Seswatha Jordan Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Wonder if Mimara's father is Moe? That's a thought that's been tossed around before, but wouldn't Esme remember a Dûnyain? Especially one that looks almost identical to Kellhus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sologdin Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 not if moe is a skinspy. duh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Bryar Ashford Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Depending on how much sorcery he knew, or hypnotism she might not remember...Just throwing it out there. I'm pretty convinced Kellhus is the father of Mimara's kid so it'd be an odd family tree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Seswatha Jordan Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Depending on how much sorcery he knew, or hypnotism she might not remember...Just throwing it out there. I'm pretty convinced Kellhus is the father of Mimara's kid so it'd be an odd family tree. Hey, anything is possible, I'm not knocking any ideas to the ground. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry of the Lawn Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Mimara is Aurangs offspring, thus the skinspy protection. Even if she isn't, She is a ticking time.bomb who will become.the no-God with a JE, closing the watcher-watched circuit giving the no-God self-awareness and agency. She is the true Heron Spear and will ultimately destroy, disenchanted or doom Earwa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Seswatha Jordan Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Mimara is Aurangs offspring, thus the skinspy protection. Even if she isn't, She is a ticking time.bomb who will become.the no-God with a JE, closing the watcher-watched circuit giving the no-God self-awareness and agency. She is the true Heron Spear and will ultimately destroy, disenchanted or doom Earwa. Hey, I can't tell if your joking or not........but you just can't say no to it. Hell, I really like the bit about closing the watcher-watched circuit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sologdin Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 a woman as the heron spear? not nearly pendulous enough! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xereaux Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 a woman as the heron spear? not nearly pendulous enough! Yeah! "Heron Distaff", amirite?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arakan Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 When I first read PON, especially all the atrocities committed in the Holy War (see Joktha or Carascand as example), when I read about all the atrocities committed in the Unification Wars in the AE books, I asked myself: why should this CRAPSACK world actually be saved? Why should I "root" for humanity at all, for the Great Ordeal? There are surely a few beacons of sanity (Ajencis) but even people like Proyas who are ok on a personal level are systemic enablers of this crapsack world. The matter of systemic chattle slavery is almost never mentioned in the 50 or so Bakker threads since 2007 (call me insane but I am reading them all, now up to 2014), a slavery which seems as brutal as what we see in Essos, and look what controversial discussions THAT causes on the board ;). But Bakkerworld is so crapsack that this is rendered almost a nuissance, a minor issue ;). And Kellhus, no matter if he really has a "greater good" target, is an asshole bigger than Leto 2 (who at least still had feelings). No, after seeing what the "Holy" War did to the Fanim who were slaughtered without any mercy, I almost hope that the No-God erradicates Earwa. NOTHING what the Consult did is any worse than what we have seen by the Holy War, only the scale is different but from a "objective moral" pov? Erase them all. A failed social experiment, Earwa, with asshole gods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry of the Lawn Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 a woman as the heron spear? not nearly pendulous enough! Almost responded with something about how the anatomy of.pregnancy covers this concern via mammary growth, but that would just be crass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hello World Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 No, after seeing what the "Holy" War did to the Fanim who were slaughtered without any mercy, I almost hope that the No-God erradicates Earwa. Even without that, I'm totally for the NG winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Buck Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 At this point I see the Gods as the true antagonists of the series, so I'm rooting for the Consult. The Inchoroi, and their alliance with Men and Nonmen, are more tragic figures when viewed in the bigger picture. They are obnoxiously evil by human standards, but ultimately their atrocities seem quaint when the implication is that of an entire universe filled with ensouled creatures bound (probably unknowingly) to eternal suffering beyond all comprehension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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