Vastet Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Did Cersei even mention the baby to anyone else? I vaguely recall she might have spoken to Robert about it, but I could be wrong. If Cat is the only one, then it might well have been a lie intended to deflect suspicion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby b's bobby Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Did Cersei even mention the baby to anyone else? I vaguely recall she might have spoken to Robert about it, but I could be wrong. If Cat is the only one, then it might well have been a lie intended to deflect suspicion. It's a weird choice of lie when cat could mention it to Ned then ned to robert and then who knows if the stories bs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 She's not lying. The baby is the hint for us to know that any baby fathered by Robert would be black of hair. The problem is that by inserting that clue, they are making Maggy's prophecy invalid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vastet Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 It's a weird choice of lie when cat could mention it to Ned then ned to robert and then who knows if the stories bs. That's extremely unlikely. Women talk about that kind of thing, and she very well might talk to Ned about it. But Ned certainly isn't going to bring it up to Robert without a hell of a good reason. It just isn't done. Ned would see it as 'if Robert wanted me to know, he'd have told me himself'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Writhen Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 But the point is that in the books the child was not born, a miscarriage. In the show, he was but he died. Thus the prophesy works in the books only, but not in the show... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby b's bobby Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 That's extremely unlikely. Women talk about that kind of thing, and she very well might talk to Ned about it. But Ned certainly isn't going to bring it up to Robert without a hell of a good reason. It just isn't done. Ned would see it as 'if Robert wanted me to know, he'd have told me himself'. Men don't talk about dead kids? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Friendzoned Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 I read the beginning of your theory thinking to myself, "Wow, that's amazing!". The more I read, the more I realized that it's false and that Gendry is definitely still rowing his boat. I'd love to see him again, but I doubt it. It'll be a mystery forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vastet Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Men don't talk about dead kids? Men don't talk about intensely personal and emotional things, no. Maybe today, in our world. But go back a hundred years and it would be quite different. Go back to the medieval times and certainly no. Anything that might reveal weakness is simply not done. Tywin doesn't talk about his wife, Ned doesn't talk about his father and brother, it just doesn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Writhen Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 This is true. Reveal weakness and spoil the game... Where is Gendry, lawl? And where was Batfinger in the season finale? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julynnastarkfan Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 My take was that Cercei killed all of Robert's children either by drinking moon tea of having them killed. Gendry was the only one she missed except for Edric Storm, who was too well protected for her henchmen to get to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Ghost of Someone Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 IF Cersie is telling the truth about having a boy by Robert that Jaime had her cleansed/aborted, then Cersie lied to Sansa about loving your children even if you do not love their father. Would it not be funny on the show if the baby, after the midwife, who may have been blond, delivered or helped abort a seemingly dead boy but "the seed is strong" and the boy breathed after they were away from Cersei and Jaime and she raised it as her own until fate and circumstances led him to being the blacksmith he became? Show? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Writhen Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Cersei as the angel of darkness, who aborted or killed all of Robert's children? Interesting notion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Ghost of Someone Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Cersei as the angel of darkness, who aborted or killed all of Robert's children? Interesting notion. I forget if she mentions a "cleansed baby" of Robert by Jaime to Ned in the book but the whole shpeal she gave Sansa at the Blackwater was more of her hypocritical bullshit. She loved her incest/purebred babies with Jaime and went to desperate measures to make sure Robert never got a kid off of her although, had she allowed, they probably would have had many kids as fertile Robert was and undoubtably she was. Funny thing, she stopped having kids with Jaime at "3", one would think I will jinx this prophesy and have more than 3 but no, lets keep it close just to make me more paranoid about the whole thing why don't we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Writhen Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 It's a circle of power, a codex. The number itself has meaning... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Ghost of Someone Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 It's a circle of power, a codex. The number itself has meaning... Except when D&D do it, they contradict dialog from one season to the next, whether it is number of children, Sansa's marriage annulment.. you name it, contradictions pile up. No codex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Writhen Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 That's why its an adaptation, lawl. It'll never be the real thing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Ghost of Someone Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 That's why its an adaptation, lawl. It'll never be the real thing... Very true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spilt Pea Soup Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Maggys prophecy only contradicts the dead baby if you read it literally From an extreme left-brain perspective. When she talks about her children, she doesn't care to mention the one that doesn't leave infancy. This is pretty in keeping with medieval views--high infant mortality rates and all. I don't see it as some awful problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 I think is not that Cersei just stopped having children. It's more like Robert wasn't having sex with her any more and she wasn't going to be able to explain this miraculous conception. Robert was a fool but not that much of a fool. He remembers not having sex with his wife for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Ghost of Someone Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 I think is not that Cersei just stopped having children. It's more like Robert wasn't having sex with her any more and she wasn't going to be able to explain this miraculous conception. Robert was a fool but not that much of a fool. He remembers not having sex with his wife for years. She guarded her - - - - as if she had all the Gold in Casterly Rock up there. Yeah, he had heirs, or so he thought, it was easier to have LF send a whore over or multiple ones. Her family name and gold were more of value to him than her in the later years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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