mw13 Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Just a thought. What if Jon is dead but the cold he feels at the end of the book is the approaching white walkers. What if he is then re awoken as a white walker and in the end becomes their leader. Then you have jon vs dany, ice vs fire - a song of ice and fire. he still in the story and is also still deader than dead It also gives you a face that every reader is familiar with as the main villain. Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterfreak Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 The Others can't pass beneath the wall, how would they have gotten into Castle Black? And how would he reawaken as an Other? He'd be a mindless wight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSmallOther Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 The Others can't pass beneath the wall, how would they have gotten into Castle Black? And how would he reawaken as an Other? He'd be a mindless wight. There are speculations around that Others do not need to pass the wall. Remember event with Mormont, Jon, and Mr. Wight? Jon felt cold when he awake. It might be that an Other was nearby (maybe close to the other side of the wall) and forced wight to come back to "life". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncle Stark Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Speculations they don't need to pass the wall? Link please! I love Other theories! But I thought the wight that attacked Mormon was an extenuating circumstances. Like the Others and Wights can't walk through of their own will, but if you BRING them through they can wake up on the other side, and get to business. They can hibernate, basically, and be brought through, but can't walk through. As for Jon... hm. There is something afoot, no doubt. I am not sure about his death, and the clues around it, with the cold and the steaming wounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bran the Bringer Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Speculations they don't need to pass the wall? Link please! I love Other theories! But I thought the wight that attacked Mormon was an extenuating circumstances. Like the Others and Wights can't walk through of their own will, but if you BRING them through they can wake up on the other side, and get to business. They can hibernate, basically, and be brought through, but can't walk through. As for Jon... hm. There is something afoot, no doubt. I am not sure about his death, and the clues around it, with the cold and the steaming wounds. We can't be certain the Wall is there to keep the Others out at all. There are many in the 7K who believe that but there are also many people in the 7K who believe Sansa turned into a bat-winged wolf and flew away from King's Landing. We know Men have to say an oath at the Weirwood Gate to pass through the Wall there at the oldest castle just south of the Wall. Men pass through easily in tunnels they have carved in the Ice but we can't be certain that the tunnels are an original design feature or that the original designers are pleased. If you really are interested in more in depth text based looks at the Wall and whats going on in all parts "Northern" look at the Heresy threads. I think it is up to about thread #167 or something right now but there are links in Black Crow's and Wolfmaid7's signatures to some of the more "essential" readings of the past highlighted for you. There are several other in-depth posters there as well like Addicted to Snow who may have links to some of his more in depth posts there and Lucifer means Lightbringer who does excellent work on all things celestial. I read many of those before I even joined the site and the general nature of the threads and the debates there are good more often then not. We all don't always agree but the disagreements in general are pretty well reasoned. Lots of info on the info and theories on the Watch, the Wall and the Others. Duh, just noticed the heresy threads pinned at the top. ETA last sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King_Slayer Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 The wight that attacked Mormont was able to pass the wall because he was still just dead (hadn't been brought back as a wight) and not a wight when they passed through the wall, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Crow Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Nope, a wight he was - remember the consternation when they realised his eyes were blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinsarellaSand Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Nope, a wight he was - remember the consternation when they realised his eyes were blue. :agree: ..Not to mention the fact that the animals wouldn't go near them (which wouldn't have been a problem with regular corpses). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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