Roddy Darwin Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 But Jaehaerys was Maegor's heir since Maegor left no issue himself and Jaehaerys was Maegor's oldest nephew. And Maegor ruled for a significant amount of time. By contrast Rhaenyra ruled for a very short period. Nope. Rhaena was then forced to wed Maegor. Maegor named her daughter, Aerea, as his heir while disinheriting Queen Alyssa's surviving son, Jaehaerys. From the World of Ice and Fire, Maegor's chapter, the box about his wives. Granted, we don't know when Aerea died, but somehow I doubt Maegor ever cancelled that decree. Good point about Maegor's rule actually lasting... But then, Robert's reign lasted. Do you think if Dany ever got the Iron Throne, she'd count Robert as Robert the First, and if her heir happened to be called Viserys, he would be Viserys III again? Yea, I assume there can't really be any gaps so if you did declare it void, it'd technically become part of your reign. And it sounded like a sucky period to be putting on your CV. Okay, that makes a lot of sense. But then, accepting Maegor as the former King writes that sucky period right into your kingly line's CV. Publicly denouncing him as a false king and an usurper, and claiming the throne as Jaeharys I, heir to Viserys I, heir to Aegon II, both of whom were the true kings, but never ruled because of that nasty usurper sob... That sounds a lot better, doesn't it? They were both killed by (well, because of) Maegor, too, so I think it'd be pretty easy to show the world how Jaehaerys had nothing to do with what went down. Hell, he was raising an army to march on his nuncle before he went all emo. Speaking about the big Targaryen picture (and we're talking about the guy who would call a Great Council just to be on the safe side when he died), he picked "okay, we fucked up, but hey I can do better, look I've only got the one wife" instead of "whew, that sucked, eh? Well, we suffered a bunch too, but we're back now, it's gonna be alright." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Nope. From the World of Ice and Fire, Maegor's chapter, the box about his wives. Granted, we don't know when Aerea died, but somehow I doubt Maegor ever cancelled that decree. Good point about Maegor's rule actually lasting... But then, Robert's reign lasted. Do you think if Dany ever got the Iron Throne, she'd count Robert as Robert the First, and if her heir happened to be called Viserys, he would be Viserys III again? Okay, that makes a lot of sense. But then, accepting Maegor as the former King writes that sucky period right into your kingly line's CV. Publicly denouncing him as a false king and an usurper, and claiming the throne as Jaeharys I, heir to Viserys I, heir to Aegon II, both of whom were the true kings, but never ruled because of that nasty usurper sob... That sounds a lot better, doesn't it? They were both killed by (well, because of) Maegor, too, so I think it'd be pretty easy to show the world how Jaehaerys had nothing to do with what went down. Hell, he was raising an army to march on his nuncle before he went all emo. Speaking about the big Targaryen picture (and we're talking about the guy who would call a Great Council just to be on the safe side when he died), he picked "okay, we fucked up, but hey I can do better, look I've only got the one wife" instead of "whew, that sucked, eh? Well, we suffered a bunch too, but we're back now, it's gonna be alright."So Jaehaerys surely nullified the royal decree making Aerea Maegor's heir. In any case Maegor left no trueborn (or natural) issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ McLannister Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Look at British History. Henry I decreed his daughter Maude(Mathilda) to be heir and made his barons swear oaths to support her. Instead Stephen was crowned by the bishops with the backing of many of the nobles. During the following wars, Maude at one point captured Stephen and took London. She was the actual legal heir, held the capital, and was proclaimed queen by her followers, but she was never officially crowned. She's not listed in histories as a queen of England. Edward V inherited the throne from his father, under the protectorate of his uncle Richard. Rather than crowning him, Richard had him declared a bastard, locked him in a tower and probably murdered him. Edward is listed among the kings of England. It all just depends on who makes the lists, I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Did ol one-eye Aemond ever give anyone "a hard one-eye stare," or did we ever see "darkness pooling in the empty pit" where his eye had been? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Did ol one-eye Aemond ever give anyone "a hard one-eye stare," or did we ever see "darkness pooling in the empty pit" where his eye had been? Not that I can recall. Aemond wore a sapphire in the place of his missing eye, at least by the time of the Dance, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roddy Darwin Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Edward V inherited the throne from his father, under the protectorate of his uncle Richard. Rather than crowning him, Richard had him declared a bastard, locked him in a tower and probably murdered him. Edward is listed among the kings of England. It all just depends on who makes the lists, I suppose. Absolutely, but that is what bothers me about all this. Jaehaerys won, he should have been the one to make the list, and I can't make sense of him keeping Maegor and there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter Rose Crown Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Are there any good theories about Marei, the whore who can read and has green eyes in Chataya's? I saw a couple kind of reference she might maybe be Tywin's or Tyrion's bastard but haven't found any full fledged theories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden of the Wesht Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Did the current Lord Redwyne marry his neice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aryagonnakill#2 Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Wow green eyes in Chataya's, age wise she would probably be Tywins but I don't remember the character. I know that many people believe Tywin made the secret tunnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter Rose Crown Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Wow green eyes in Chataya's, age wise she would probably be Tywins but I don't remember the character. I know that many people believe Tywin made the secret tunnel. I thought that would be the connection. He wasn't whoring, he was visiting his bastard or something. She has the same hair as tommen. I'm not great at finding the subtle clues, though, that's why I asked if there was a theory already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spoon89 Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Did the current Lord Redwyne marry his neice? Paxter Redwyne is married to his first cousin Mina Tyrell. His aunt is Olenna Redwyne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Eric Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Are there any good threads on the identity of Nissa Nissa? I see a lot of threads of Azor Azai but practically nothing on Nissa Nissa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Of Winter Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Are there any good threads on the identity of Nissa Nissa? I see a lot of threads of Azor Azai but practically nothing on Nissa Nissa. Well, the identity of Nissa Nissa is strongly related to the identity of Azor Ahai in question. When people theorize about who exactly AA might be, they usually say who/what will be this particular AA's Nissa Nissa. Thus, if Jon is proposed as AA, then someone like Arya is suggested as Nissa Nissa, if Stannis is AA, then Shireen might be Nissa Nissa etc. You get the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Eric Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Well, the identity of Nissa Nissa is strongly related to the identity of Azor Ahai in question. When people theorize about who exactly AA might be, they usually say who/what will be this particular AA's Nissa Nissa. Thus, if Jon is proposed as AA, then someone like Arya is suggested as Nissa Nissa, if Stannis is AA, then Shireen might be Nissa Nissa etc. You get the point. Oh I know that but was wondering if someone had gone about it the other way. Speculate about who Nissa Nissa could be and then that leads you to AA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Weirgaryen Posted August 14, 2015 Author Share Posted August 14, 2015 Oh I know that but was wondering if someone had gone about it the other way. Speculate about who Nissa Nissa could be and then that leads you to AA. Or still the other way, if ice was lightbringer, Lady&Ned might be Nissa&Nissa (still resonates "Sansa") and Brienne with oathkeeper might be one half of Azor Ahai and the other one would need to wield widow's wail... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Are there any good threads on the identity of Nissa Nissa? I see a lot of threads of Azor Azai but practically nothing on Nissa Nissa. http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/54245-adwd-spoilers-jons-nissa-nissa/http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/125403-catelyn-tully-will-be-the-nissa-nissa-to-someones-azor-ahai/http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/130856-nissa-nissa/http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/94571-who-is-nissa-nissa-reborn/http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/134086-why-cant-lyanna-be-jons-nissa-nissa/http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/99216-lightbringernissa-nissa-theory/http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/83801-your-guess-for-nissa-nissa/http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/131685-nissa-nissa-was-a-valyriantargaryen/http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/130751-nissa-nissa-westeros/http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/115678-was-ned-nissa-nissa/http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/113149-there-is-no-nissa-nissa/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ser naes yennet Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 i seem to remember a release (ssm, or other post) regarding POV's in tWoW. i thought we know that new POV's will be in it, but do we have any more info, maybe how many total POV's in the book, or anything? thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 i seem to remember a release (ssm, or other post) regarding POV's in tWoW. i thought we know that new POV's will be in it, but do we have any more info, maybe how many total POV's in the book, or anything? thanks I seem to recall a statement of no new POVs (though that most likely does not include prologue and potential epilogue), and a statement of "13 POVs" has been made, though there has been discussion about whether that was about the start-number of POVs, or about the amount of POVs still alive by the end of the book. In BryndenBFish's The Complete Winds of Winter Resource v. 2 you should be able to find links and all :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden of the Wesht Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Paxter Redwyne is married to his first cousin Mina Tyrell. His aunt is Olenna Redwyne. Ah thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ser naes yennet Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 I seem to recall a statement of no new POVs (though that most likely does not include prologue and potential epilogue), and a statement of "13 POVs" has been made, though there has been discussion about whether that was about the start-number of POVs, or about the amount of POVs still alive by the end of the book. In BryndenBFish's The Complete Winds of Winter Resource v. 2 you should be able to find links and all :) thanks. i would suppose that the 13 POV's s at the start of the book, like the Glossary section in the back is about the character's status at the beginning of each book, so as not to contain spoilers. i'll check the link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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