Liz Stark-Targaryen Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 I think that's more in terms of Jon/Arya. Ramsay is somewhat a reminder of what Jon wanted; legitimization, Winterfell. Plus, the involvation of fArya/Ramsay in his ADwD arc directly. Hmm. So you think that (f)Arya's marriage to legitimized bastard Ramsay foreshadows Arya's endgame marriage to legitimized bastard Jon? There's only one problem... I don't think Jon Snow is really a bastard. :cool4: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chocs Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Hmm. So you think that (f)Arya's marriage to legitimized bastard Ramsay foreshadows Arya's endgame marriage to legitimized bastard Jon? There's only one problem... I don't think Jon Snow is really a bastard. :cool4: He is known/referred as one. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liz Stark-Targaryen Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 He is known/referred as one. :) All the same, look at how brilliantly GRRM is playing with the "nature vs. nurture" trope, especially when it comes to the young men who are coming of age in one way, shape, or form... There are "bastards" that are trueborn, like Jon. There are "trueborns" that are bastards, like Joffrey. And then... There are bastards who are acknowledged and legitimized, like Ramsay. And there are bastards who are neither acknowledged nor legitimized, like Gendry. I think that Jon is destined to become King, so that the trueborn heir takes the place of the counterfeit. And I think that Gendry's destined to become... something other than a blacksmith. Who knows where his fate will lie? It's all very interesting, that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chocs Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 All the same, look at how brilliantly GRRM is playing with the "nature vs. nurture" trope, especially when it comes to the young men who are coming of age in one way, shape, or form... There are "bastards" that are trueborn, like Jon. There are "trueborns" that are bastards, like Joffrey. And then... There are bastards who are acknowledged and legitimized, like Ramsay. And there are bastards who are neither acknowledged nor legitimized, like Gendry. I think that Jon is destined to become King, so that the trueborn heir takes the place of the counterfeit. And I think that Gendry's destined to become... something other than a blacksmith. Who knows where his fate will lie? It's all very interesting, that's for sure. It is indeed. I think he might forge a VS sword that may help in the coming War. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Yes, but Gendry's nightmares wouldn't just be dead!Arya, they'd also be dead!Arya, raped!Arya, or worse, no matter what Gendry hears. MarriedToEdric!Arya! <O> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meera of Tarth Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 All the same, look at how brilliantly GRRM is playing with the "nature vs. nurture" trope, especially when it comes to the young men who are coming of age in one way, shape, or form... There are "bastards" that are trueborn, like Jon. There are "trueborns" that are bastards, like Joffrey. And then... There are bastards who are acknowledged and legitimized, like Ramsay. And there are bastards who are neither acknowledged nor legitimized, like Gendry. I think that Jon is destined to become King, so that the trueborn heir takes the place of the counterfeit. And I think that Gendry's destined to become... something other than a blacksmith. Who knows where his fate will lie? It's all very interesting, that's for sure. Agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meera of Tarth Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Also, I think it's significant that (f)Arya's marriage to Ramsay is actually... marriage to a bastard, which subconsciously would be incredibly rich for Gendry. Of course, Ramsay was acknowledged and legitimized by his father, and Gendry was not, but it still teases the possibility of "Arya" marrying a bastard. So I think it's an interesting point to consider. Could be. Good point. But do you all think that Brienne told them about fArya? You mean, after the hanging? Why should she? After what they did to her? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucieca Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 I think Jaqen started calling Arya “lovely boy” and “sweet girl” as a part of the character, but I do get the feeling that he was genuinely fond of her especially by the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodraven's Bastard Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 I'm an old soul. As to jaded, only half-time. ;) Totally female though. Jaded old female. As a jaded old male, I can spot my counterpart 99.99% of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Jaded old female. As a jaded old male, I can spot my counterpart 99.99% of the time. Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm in my 30s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodraven's Bastard Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm in my 30s. That's relatively old, for a female. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meera of Tarth Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 That's relatively old, for a female. :) I suppose it's a joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodraven's Bastard Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 I suppose it's a joke Nope. A 30 something female is rather old in the world of ASOIAF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joan Jett Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share Posted September 3, 2015 Nope. A 30 something female is rather old in the world of ASOIAF.but Lady Blizzardborn is not in the world of asoiaf? :uhoh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodraven's Bastard Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 but Lady Blizzardborn is not in the world of asoiaf? :uhoh: I am a fan of both you and Lady Blizzardborn. Let's be clear on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booknerd2 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 MarriedToEdric!Arya! <O> Lol! And for all we know that thought might have passed through his mind in a certain chapter, and it wasn't pretty. Hair insults are pretty low. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meera of Tarth Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Nope. A 30 something female is rather old in the world of ASOIAF. even in ASOIAF a person in his or her thirties wouldn't be old, but middle-aged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liz Stark-Targaryen Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 MarriedToEdric!Arya! <O> Gendry, as unlike Robert as he is in personality, may also suffer from the Curse of Loving a Stark Girl When You Have Baratheon Blood. Poor guy! I feel badly for him... Well, at least Arya didn't break a betrothal to run off with Edric... :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meera of Tarth Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Gendry, as unlike Robert as he is in personality, may also suffer from the Curse of Loving a Stark Girl When You Have Baratheon Blood. Poor guy! I feel badly for him... Well, at least Arya didn't break a betrothal to run off with Edric... :) LOL, Stark girls are irresistible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Poor guy! I feel badly for him... Well, at least Arya didn't break a betrothal to run off with Edric... :) YET!! (maybe that's the sequel. Arya is on her way to marry Gendry Baratheon, the Bull, and he sees Edric playing the... erm.. trombone. Next day, Gendry appears in High Hermitage asking for Edric to come out and die!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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