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Rant & Rave without repercussion S 5 continued [book spoilers]


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The previous R&R was getting too long, so we'll continue here.
 
Quoting Ran:
 
The topic of the thread is discussing things you disliked about the episode. It is not a place to throw insults at one another or to act as if he normal rules of the forum do not apply. Discussion of why people disliked something is permitted, but remember the topic at hand -- this is not a debate thread, it's a discussion thread specifically about episode details or events that posters disliked.
 
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Things aren't as bad when you're watching for the first time because you're in actual disbelief, so you don't really notice what's going on  :lol:

 

 

hahahahaha you're joking, but that's exactly it! :laugh:

 

My s5 re-watch is still ongoing. I can't stomach more than a few scenes at a time. 

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I'll start by saying that the scene with the High Septon and the naked 7 gets much, much worse on a re-watch. Really, what were they thinking? Sheesh.

the scary question is did they brainstorm this idea or was it a long process of selecting this scenario from many others or was it a spur-of-the-moment inspiration?

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Why do you rewatch? I watched the whole damn thing and never looked back.

 

Masochism? 

 

Nah, I just wanna see how many more plot holes and general idiocies I can find, now that, as Ainara S said, I'm not stunned by what I'm seeing.

 

And I did find more stuff, btw. :p

 

the scary question is did they brainstorm this idea or was it a long process of selecting this scenario from many others or was it a spur-of-the-moment inspiration?

 

Indeed. Scary and I don't even know which answer is worse! 

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More, please, oh brave one. :)


:lol:

I meant those I've already shared here, from eps 1&2. Like Olyvar leaving Loras' room completely naked despite the need for discretion, the bad editing with Dany and Missi hiking up their skirts...

But now I just re-watched the HS and the kinky 7. I'm sure I'll find more upon re-watching the rest, and I'll definitely share them here! :)
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I'm still wondering what to do with all the downloaded episodes. Should I delete them and not look back? I'm sure I can put that space to better use. Only thing holding me back is nostalgia for the early seasons, and the possibility that someone who knows I've been a huge fan of the show (which is, almost everyone I know) might ask me to share them.
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:lol:

I meant those I've already shared here, from eps 1&2. Like Olyvar leaving Loras' room completely naked despite the need for discretion, the bad editing with Dany and Missi hiking up their skirts...

But now I just re-watched the HS and the kinky 7. I'm sure I'll find more upon re-watching the rest, and I'll definitely share them here! :)

The Olyvar Loras scene was more ridiculous than High Septon to me. If I was being kind--which I am because I'm still on a ToJ high--I could postulate that they wanted to show-in a single scene-how corrupt the High Septon was--since he hadn't really been in series before--and they already had a scene with Meryn and pedo set up, so let's turn the gods into prostitutes for the biggest one-scene offense. I mean it was gross, but I could reason it out.

 

Loras and Olyvar, not so much. With no prelude to Loras mourning or having a hard time after Renly--and Olyvar discussing his darn Dorne-shaped birthmark for an hour... And then later, Olyvar's super relaxed testimony (even though he knew how they felt about "buggery") in front of the Sparrows about that birthmark (that anyone of a dozen people could have seen because squires, maids etc) That was painful to watch and badly done.

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the thing I don't understand, does Olyvar love Loras? Or is he playing his part because he is a sex-worker or because he still works for LF? If the later, is he gay or is it just his work to have sex with male clients, probably from a very young age and it makes this "romance" unhealthy? Maybe I missed it, but I don't want to rewatch Olyvar scenes ever.

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the thing I don't understand, does Olyvar love Loras? Or is he playing his part because he is a sex-worker or because he still works for LF? If the later, is he gay or is it just his work to have sex with male clients, probably from a very young age and it makes this "romance" unhealthy? Maybe I missed it, but I don't want to rewatch Olyvar scenes ever.

Olyvar was in scenes with Oberyn where he didn't understand how this guy could also like women.

He already betrayed Loras once when he squired for him and slept with him-relaying info about Sansa wedding to LF

I don't think he has any romantic feelings for Loras, but since he's basically running the brothel for LF at this point, its good to have connections.

Still, I would have imagined him being afraid during testimony. Or looking a little beat up. Those Sparrows are serious.

 

PS-not a big fan of him either.

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the thing I don't understand, does Olyvar love Loras? Or is he playing his part because he is a sex-worker or because he still works for LF? If the later, is he gay or is it just his work to have sex with male clients, probably from a very young age and it makes this "romance" unhealthy? Maybe I missed it, but I don't want to rewatch Olyvar scenes ever.

As RGBA said, he was established as gay in one of Oberyn's totally-well-written spiels about sexuality, in the orgy scene.

 

You know, the thing that makes me the angriest about the Loras-Olyvar thing is that it actually could have been done well. Sure, some things are irreparable (Loras telling Olyvar his family's secrets because lol why not), but if, let's say, Loras used cold, unemotional sex to cope with Renly's loss, it could've worked! But no. This Loras legitimately doesn't give a fuck about Renly anymore. He's got a new guy to fuck, who cares about the other one.

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Sad thing is, I wasn't joking!
What's the bad editing with Miss and Dany's skirts? I don't recall.

 

Remember the scene where Mossador is executed in public? When Dany and Missi arrive, they hike up their skirts to climb a step. The camera is on the left (on the telly). Then cut, and the camera is dead centre, and we see both again. The first shot we see them hike their skirts up, climb the step, and then they both let go of the skirt. Only when it changes cameras, Missi is still holding her skirt up. And it's an obvious mistake in editing, if you watch again you'll see it plain as day. 

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Oh, FFS:

 

 

"I got a call saying, 'Game of Thrones wants you to read for this scene for season four,'" Bentley writes. "My friend had to film me in the buff reading the lines for the scene and we had to email the video to the casting directors." After not hearing back for a while, she traveled to Spain for a porn shoot, only to be told at the last minute she'd gotten the Thrones gig. She cut the shoot short and flew straight to Belfast: "[The porn studio] were pissed off with me, but they actually made a whole big thing about me being in Game of Thrones when they released the scenes, so it benefitted them."

More here.

 

The pervature, it goes from top to bottom in this charnel house of propriety. 

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