Felguy Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Let's talk about the really shitty parents in the story. You can nominate 1 bad parent for each gender per person. I choose for mother: Sybell Spicer. This evil witch betrayed her daughter, giving her Moon Tea (or at least potions which prevent her from getting pregnant) and betrays her son in law this way. At least Jaime told her off. The witch. She isn't even nice in general. For father I choose: Randyll Tarly Threatening to kill your son and neglecting his real talents. Takes a special kind of asshole. Even Tywin didn't do this. (at least directly) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brannis the Mannis Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Ol' Bobby B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tucu Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Craster, no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felguy Posted September 8, 2015 Author Share Posted September 8, 2015 Ol' Bobby B. He neglected them indeed.... though I can hardly qualify Robert as one of the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaynsa Starne Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Craster, no doubt. I don't even consider Craster a parent so much as a mongrel who deserved to be put down at the soonest opportunity. I'll nominate Sandor's dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple-eyes Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Op. It is better to list worst father and worst mother. Usually one parent is better than the other one... It is hard to judge as a pair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felguy Posted September 8, 2015 Author Share Posted September 8, 2015 Op. It is better to list worst father and worst mother. Usually one parent is better than the other one... It is hard to judge as a pair. Ehh okay I will try. But I don't remember many bad mothers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple-eyes Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Worst father: craster for sure. Then Robert and Rhaegar. Worst mother: hard to say, they all seem care their children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codename: Nymeria Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 I would say Randyll Tarly and Selyse Baratheon both deserve some mention. Possibly Stannis as well, depending on (I AM NOT TAKING A SIDE IN THIS ARGUMENT) how closely [spoiler]her fate in the books follows her fate in the show.[/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tucu Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Randyll Tarly has to make the top 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chocs Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Worst father: Craster, Roose, Randyll, Tywin. Worst mother: Cersei, Lysa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codename: Nymeria Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Worst father: Craster, Roose, Randyll, Tywin. Worst mother: Cersei, Lysa. How is Cersei a bad mother? I mean, terrible person? Yes. Terrible wife? Obviously. Terrible queen? Surely. Terrible sibling?Absolutely. Terrible...well, you get the idea. But two of her three children turned out pretty decent, and I don't think there's any indication that she did anything other than play in to Joffrey's natural predilection for being an awful person himself. At least she looks after her kids, which is more than I can say for Selyse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felguy Posted September 8, 2015 Author Share Posted September 8, 2015 How is Cersei a bad mother? I mean, terrible person? Yes. Terrible wife? Obviously. Terrible queen? Surely. Terrible sibling?Absolutely. Terrible...well, you get the idea. But two of her three children turned out pretty decent, and I don't think there's any indication that she did anything other than play in to Joffrey's natural predilection for being an awful person himself. At least she looks after her kids, which is more than I can say for Selyse. That is her one redeeming quality yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the Narrow Sea Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Let's talk about the really shitty parents in the story. You can nominate 1 bad parent for each gender per person. I choose for mother: Sybell Spicer. This evil witch betrayed her daughter, giving her Moon Tea (or at least potions which prevent her from getting pregnant) and betrays her son in law this way. At least Jaime told her off. The witch. She isn't even nice in general. For father I choose: Randyll Tarly Threatening to kill your son and neglecting his real talents. Takes a special kind of asshole. Even Tywin didn't do this. (at least directly) You're looking at this from a modern perspective. From a feudalistic perspective, Randyl did nothing wrong. The pact between the peasants and nobles, and the nobles and the monarchy, requires the nobles to be trained and skilled at arms. Randyl allowing a son who cannot and won't fight to inherit his lands and titles is him failing his own duties to his people and to his monarch. Sam inheriting Horn Hill would have been a disaster from a feudal perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chocs Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 How is Cersei a bad mother? I mean, terrible person? Yes. Terrible wife? Obviously. Terrible queen? Surely. Terrible sibling?Absolutely. Terrible...well, you get the idea. But two of her three children turned out pretty decent, and I don't think there's any indication that she did anything other than play in to Joffrey's natural predilection for being an awful person himself. At least she looks after her kids, which is more than I can say for Selyse. No, I stand with my answer. Cersei thinks she's a good mother, but her actions speak otherwise. Her focus on Joffrey was mostly related to power and she supported him despite his flaws, Tommen/Myrcella turned out decent because she left them alone. I do agree on Selyse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felguy Posted September 8, 2015 Author Share Posted September 8, 2015 You're looking at this from a modern perspective. From a feudalistic perspective, Randyl did nothing wrong. The pact between the peasants and nobles, and the nobles and the monarchy, requires the nobles to be trained and skilled at arms. Randyl allowing a son who cannot and won't fight to inherit his lands and titles is him failing his own duties to his people and to his monarch. Sam inheriting Horn Hill would have been a disaster from a feudal perspective. I know, but not letting him become a Maester at least? And threatening to kill him? (and I am sure he would have done it) Could have just told him to join the Wall because he doesn't want him to inherit. Doesn't have to be a sociopath about it. Sam would be able to understand it to a degree, and even if not, he was cowardly at that point still so he still would have done it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the Narrow Sea Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Ol' Bobby B. Robert tried to be involved with all of his kids but Cersei promised that she kill any bastard he brought to court, and promised that she'd kill Robert if he tried to ever discipline Joffrey, Tommen or Myrcella "Why would he? Robert ignored him. He would have beat him if I'd allowed it. That brute you made me marry once hit the boy so hard he knocked out two of his baby teeth, over some mischief with a cat. I told him I'd kill him in his sleep if he ever did it again, and he never did, but sometimes he would say things . . ." "It appears things needed to be said." Lord Tywin waved two fingers at her, a brusque dismissal. "Go." When even Tywin has to step in and say that Cersei should have allowed Robert to raise his children, it's hard to ever blame Robert for being an absent father. The problem was Cersei refusing to allow Robert into any part of her life, not Robert being a bad parent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joanna of Casterly Rock Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Worst father: Roose & Craster Worst mother: Lysa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felguy Posted September 8, 2015 Author Share Posted September 8, 2015 Robert tried to be involved with all of his kids but Cersei promised that she kill any bastard he brought to court, and promised that she'd kill Robert if he tried to ever discipline Joffrey, Tommen or Myrcella When even Tywin has to step in and say that Cersei should have allowed Robert to raise his children, it's hard to ever blame Robert for being an absent father. The problem was Cersei refusing to allow Robert into any part of her life, not Robert being a bad parent. Hmm good point. Forgot that Cersei just didn't allow it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSmith84 Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 How is Cersei a bad mother? I mean, terrible person? Yes. Terrible wife? Obviously. Terrible queen? Surely. Terrible sibling?Absolutely. Terrible...well, you get the idea. But two of her three children turned out pretty decent, and I don't think there's any indication that she did anything other than play in to Joffrey's natural predilection for being an awful person himself. At least she looks after her kids, which is more than I can say for Selyse. She does force Tommen to whip Pate until he's bleeding as punishment for standing up to her. Not to mention the constant bullying and belittling of him that Cersei does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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