Sir Thursday Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 So, got a couple of bits of political mail through my door recently: - A glossy booklet from the Government laying out their argument for staying in the EU. Didn't really tell me much I didn't already know, apart from implying that cheap flights to Europe are only so cheap because of EU membership. Didn't really extrapolate on that very much, but I guess I can believe it. There's probably a bit of half-truths mixed in there somewhere though. - A Vote Sadiq Khan letter. Very light on information beyond the names of various London Assembly Members who support him. It said "see enclosed pamphlet for more details on his policies", but there wasn't one(!) It reminded me I should probably do some reading up on the options for London Mayor though - not all that long until the voting for that one. Any Londoners with strong views either way? ST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltaran Posted April 17, 2016 Author Share Posted April 17, 2016 Not a Londoner, but I understand the Tories have been putting out a lot of dog whistle semi-racist accusations against Khan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The BlackBear Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 Any evidence on that? Seems a pretty strong claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltaran Posted April 18, 2016 Author Share Posted April 18, 2016 http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/media/2016/03/deafening-dogwhistle-zac-goldsmith-s-london-mayoral-campaign-leaflets He's been sending leaflets to Hindu and Sikh voters which appear to be linking Khan to Islamic extremists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 In case you need more: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/12/zac-goldsmith-accuses-rival-sadiq-khan-of-giving-cover-to-extremists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamjm Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 8 hours ago, mormont said: In case you need more: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/12/zac-goldsmith-accuses-rival-sadiq-khan-of-giving-cover-to-extremists It does seem a very weak guilt-by-association argument, even without one of the linked articles on that page showing Goldsmith and other Tories posing for pictures with one of those extremists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Killer Snark Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 I don't lrust Sadiq Khan, and hope to God he never becomes London mayor, but it is a guilt-by-association argument. Being once a civil rights lawyer for terrorists does not make one a terrorist, any more than representing a rapist or murderer in court makes one a rapist or a murderer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 Has Sadiq Khan ever actually represented an actual terrorist? (As opposed to, for example, being photographed with someone who allegedly said nice things about one.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereward Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 He has. Babar Khan, for instance. Not that I think it matters, and Goldsmith also opposed Khan's extradition to the US, as did I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Not Boris Johnson's finest hour. I'm pretty astonished that someone who aspires to the Prime Ministership thinks it's acceptable to dredge up the whole disproven birther thing and flirt with racism as part of attempted political discourse and debate. There's also significant strawmanning of Obama's position. When Johnson says that the US government would not accept outside federal control, he's missing the point that the US government is the federal control. The fear of many is that we will end up in a United States of Europe, with a structure similar to the USA. If you ask someone in Arkansas or Arizona how they feel about being ruled from Washington, there's a good chance you'll get similar arguments to the pro-exit ones in the UK about Brussels. Bizarre argumentative strategy from Johnson there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse Named Stranger Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 So London Trump is trying to emulate the original one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ab aeterno Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 16 minutes ago, Werthead said: Not Boris Johnson's finest hour. I'm pretty astonished that someone who aspires to the Prime Ministership thinks it's acceptable to dredge up the whole disproven birther thing and flirt with racism as part of attempted political discourse and debate. There's also significant strawmanning of Obama's position. When Johnson says that the US government would not accept outside federal control, he's missing the point that the US government is the federal control. The fear of many is that we will end up in a United States of Europe, with a structure similar to the USA. If you ask someone in Arkansas or Arizona how they feel about being ruled from Washington, there's a good chance you'll get similar arguments to the pro-exit ones in the UK about Brussels. Bizarre argumentative strategy from Johnson there. My thoughts exactly after Boris (and Douglas Carswell) came out with that argument - "I mean, it's not as though Barack Obama is President of some sort of group of states that came together and gave up some of their sovereignty to a federal organisation in order to strengthen all the states invovled. It would almost be like some sort of 'United States,' but that's just absurd." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Quote So London Trump is trying to emulate the original one? Indeed. At exactly the moment that the original has worked out that's not been working so well for him and has changed course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commodore Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereward Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Well, that makes up my mind. I'm definitely voting Leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commodore Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 not sure threats are the best way to persuade voters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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