Wise Fool Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Yes: Why are BLM protestors so obnoxious?You're right, that was a stupid question. I'll let someone who gives a shit what you think answer that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay Gimp Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 You're right, that was a stupid question. I'll let someone who gives a shit what you think answer that one.What about #2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shryke Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Would you have preferred Trump walk away with his tail between his legs, like Bernie Sanders did?Why are these the only two options in your mind?It's heartening to see the extent of your caring for freedom of speech though. Political protesters should be beaten by mobs. Good stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrackerNeil Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Right, but if it's explicitly stated that the law is based on a religious dictate that would be considered establishment?I'd like to say that would be unconstitutional, but with this Supreme Court, who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerenthaClone Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Yes:1.Why are BLM protestors so obnoxious? 2. Why is it so goddamn funny when Trump throws them out of his events?1. Because you find anything that disturbs your precious world obnoxious2. Because you're an asshole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frog Eater Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Yes:1.Why are BLM protestors so obnoxious? 2. Why is it so goddamn funny when Trump throws them out of his events?1. Because they keep getting away with being ridiculous, and getting national attention for being obnoxious, and getting their pants on head retarded demands actually getting taken seriously. They keep getting away with it, so the behavior continues. Like an unruly child, if you dont correct the bad behavior, it will continue. 2. I dont know that its funny, but it is certainly refreshing when he stands up to obnoxious assholes and has them thrown out. Bernie Sanders standing off to the side with his head down while BLM took his microphone and screamed at the crowd was seen as weak. Trump was never going to give them that satisfaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Why are these the only two options in your mind?It's heartening to see the extent of your caring for freedom of speech though. Political protesters should be beaten by mobs. Good stuff.Well, the mob stuff is deplorable, but, as always, "freedom of speech" doesn't mean "required to listen." Trump is running for President, but unless he wins he is not a government entity and is not required to listen to or facilitate speech. Also, unless the government is funding his campaign events, they are private events and as the organizer he can absolutely control who speaks and when. He is absolutely in his rights to demand protesters leave, and have security remove them if they do not.He is obviously not in his rights to edge on beatings, but that's not a freedom of speech issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodRider Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Would you have preferred Trump walk away with his tail between his legs, like Bernie Sanders did?Wow - so much for less violence, eh? Makes your "Obama and Clinton are warmongers" look like you are just giving lip service to the whole idea of less violence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 What about #2?Racism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 I was doing some reading after the Louisiana governor's results came in, and Governor-elect Edwards (yes!) may have the most extensive list of powers in the country relative to other governors. He even gets to appoint who the state senate president and state house speaker are. It would be pointless to appoint Democrats, since they'd be powerless against the Republican majorities, but he can appoint Republicans who are at least willing to negotiate with him. And with the Republican majorities so split right now, between the hardline conservatives (who are themselves split between Jindal supporters and Vitter supporters, who hate each other) and the moderates who have been trying to fight Jindal on budget matters ever since the recession, Edwards has an opportunity to get a lot done for that state in the next four years.I'm just glad that the polls finally weren't badly overstating Democratic support in an election; it feels like the first time that's been true since 2012. The past few elections, it so looked like the worst Republicans were going to get voted out, only to easily win (the worst example being Kansas in 2014). Even if this only because of Vitter's personal baggage and not his policies, it was good to see that there is a limit to what Republican voters in at least one red state would take (and Edwards absolutely won because of crossover votes, not increased Democratic turnout; while Edwards was winning by 12% on Saturday night, the Republican for Lt. Gov. also won by 10%; also Edwards went from getting 444,000 of 1.11 million votes in the jungle primary to getting 646,000 of 1.15 million votes in the general election). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seli Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Yes:1.Why are BLM protestors so obnoxious? 2. Why is it so goddamn funny when Trump throws them out of his events?1) Because they present an uncomfortable truth and have the facts on their side. Which makes it more difficult to keep ones eyes shut to the inherent inequalities in society.2) ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Fool Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 What about #2?You edited that in before I saw it. Your #2 question is, of course, shit. I think your inept defense of this disgusting scumbag behavior on the part of Trump goes to show how principled you really are. Ie, freedom of speech is just a handy meme you've used thus far, but will gladly drop in favor of worshiping a Fuhrer-like right-wing strongman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrackerNeil Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Yes:1.Why are BLM protestors so obnoxious? It seems to me that part of activism is being obnoxious. I've heard it said that you have to demand everything you want this very moment to get half of what you want within a decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay Gimp Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 He is obviously not in his rights to edge on beatings, but that's not a freedom of speech issue.He actually didn't edge on the beating. He was yelling for security to "get him out of here", but the crowd and protestor took it upon themselves to get rough. Trump defended it afterwards because he pretty much refuses to criticize his supporters no matter what they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shryke Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 He actually didn't edge on the beating. He was yelling for security to "get him out of here", but the crowd and protestor took it upon themselves to get rough. Trump defended it afterwards because he pretty much refuses to criticize his supporters no matter what they do.Yes and that's what people are criticizing and what you were defending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NestorMakhnosLovechild Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 He actually didn't edge on the beating. He was yelling for security to "get him out of here", but the crowd and protestor took it upon themselves to get rough. Trump defended it afterwards because he pretty much refuses to criticize his supporters no matter what they do.I appreciate the tweaking of liberal sensitivities every now and then, but you shouldn't let that get in the way of the fact that Trump's behavior was absolutely fucking reprehensible. The idea that any candidate would attempt to offer an after-the-fact justification for a protester being "roughed up" at a campaign rally is grotesque. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 I appreciate the tweaking of liberal sensitivities every now and then, but you shouldn't let that get in the way of the fact that Trump's behavior was absolutely fucking reprehensible. The idea that any candidate would attempt to offer an after-the-fact justification for a protester being "roughed up" at a campaign rally is grotesque. Don't forget, after a few of his supporters attacked an immigrant in Boston he first said that they were just "passionate" until he was cowed into denouncing the attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrackerNeil Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 He actually didn't edge on the beating. He was yelling for security to "get him out of here", but the crowd and protestor took it upon themselves to get rough. Trump defended it afterwards because he pretty much refuses to criticize his supporters no matter what they do.I'm not sure that refusing to criticize a beating is any better than refraining from egging on those administering the beating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay Gimp Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Wow - so much for less violence, eh? Makes your "Obama and Clinton are warmongers" look like you are just giving lip service to the whole idea of less violence. It's heartening to see the extent of your caring for freedom of speech though. Political protesters should be beaten by mobs. Good stuff.It's hard to tell which of these is the more hyperbolic stretch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The guy from the Vale Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 It's quite hard to not interpret your statements in that way, to be honest. So, how should that Trump/BLM incident have ended in your opinion? Just as it did? Well then, yes, you're an apologist of violence against people exercising their freedom of speech. While opposition to the idea of giving BLM advocates a podium may be understandable (although not my position...), doing so by inciting violence should ruffle your libertarian feathers quite a bit - non-aggression principle, anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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