mcbigski Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 I wish I knew how to put an umlaut somewhere in the title...I think all in all this episode was actually very good. I was expecting that titular standoff (sundae bloody sundae) would end in hug out, but Nathan just getting out of there with his special lady friend made so much sense once it happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyoshi Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 I mourn the death of the last thread. Hope it gets recovered and merged with this one.Could we pretty please get a spoiler tag? Haven't watched the episode yet. Will do so later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEyedGhost Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Isn't this only 13 episodes? Why the fuck does it need a 'fall finale?' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 The part with Matt Parkman was so annoying. Why the hell did they have to hide his face? Who do they think is the target audience for this show? I wonder if Parkman really turned douchebag evil, or he is being controlled, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pecan Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 I have four episodes saved up on my DVR, but I think I'm going to cut and run as I've realized that I have no desire to watch said episodes. This show is stupid and boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cashless Society Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Some of the things that happened in this episode don't make any sense.Is The Haitian really looking for Mycah?How is Miko alive 5000 (or is it 7000) years into the future?How does Harris know Joanne?Are they ever going to explain how Tommy ended up at The Company as a child (and worse, how he remembers that)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pliskin Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 The Micah kidnapping and his organization (Hero Truther) is the object of the Dark Matters webseries. So, yes, the Haitian is really looking for him.I think Miko got sent in the future in a previous episode, but I'm not sure.Harris is the penny guy? If so, he was there the first time Joanne and "Chuck" met Tommy in the anonymous evos thing. If i'm not misremembering.It's not too far-fetched that Primatech kidnapped Tommy when he was child, not knowing who he is. I don't think it's due for an explanation. They tagged him and released him and that's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Hidden Content The penny guy was Casper. Harris, I think, is the clone guy. And my explanation for that is, Renautas seems to know a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kindly Old Man Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Butterflies. The explanation for everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cashless Society Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 PliskinMicah/The Haitian; I didn't phrase this correctly but what I meant was is he working for Primatech/Renautus or not?Miko ceased to exist after freeing Hiro.Harris is the clone guy.But it is far fetched though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pliskin Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 No, he's working for Hero Truther/Micah. Or at least they were, before they got stormed and Micah got kidnapped. Now, they want to free him.I need to rewatch the part with Miko, sorry.Why far fetched? Primatech tagged every evo back in the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxom 1974 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 I can't fathom why Parkman had to have his face or if the shot initially. I assumed he'd been disfigured or something after he failed a year earlier. Whatever. Where he is was, the entire set up with the El vengador, it makes no sense unless that where Micah is. And that's a very out of left field plot point if one hasn't bothered with the Web series. How is the Haitian alive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyoshi Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 ^Because butterflies. That's the explanation for everything at this point.The biggest problem I have right now is that Erica has apparently fooled everyone into helping her. Even when they do really questionable things they all think it's for THE GREATER GOOD...Until she "betrays" them, like Miko's father/creator.But at this point it's so bad that it's good.And butterflies. How I love butterflies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pliskin Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 About the Haitian:The Haitian is alive because Future Noah told Past Noah not to go to him to erase his memories, but to use Penny Guy instead. Therefore, Past Noah never told the Haitian to kill him if he tries to get back his memories. They don't fight, the Haitian doesn't die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyoshi Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Pliskin is clearly paying more attention than the rest of us. I feel I should re-watch the whole thing, pay more attention before dismissing everything as nonsense. I wonder if that's possible, though. At this point I think by virtue of the show belonging to the Heroes franchise, I expect it to be nonsensical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pliskin Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 The whole time travel logic of the show is nonsensical. I just watch it trying to accept what the writers say as the truth without thinking about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cashless Society Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 The Haitian: where was he on June 13?Tommy: Wouldn't Hiro try his hardest to prevent Tommy from being kidnapped by The Company (because to him, this would be a huge butterfly)?Where and how did they kidnap Tommy? I would think that Hiro would've had him home-schooled, that would really limit the opportunities to kidnap him. Also, since Hiro had been training him his whole life, why didn't he just teleport?The Haitian could've been preventing his powers? But The Haitian only ever roles with Noah so wouldn't Hiro tried to have talked to them? And even if Hiro wasn't around, wouldn't Noah get all sorts of confused because this kid is calling him grandfather?The Company doesn't just tag and release; what they first do is study the evo and then decide what to do:A) Harmless; tag and release. Useful; let's recruit the evo.C) Dangerous; lock him/her up (or if their extremely dangerous, kill him/her).There's no way The Company would've let Tommy go, or if they did he would've been heavily monitored.And the hell was Hiro doing in the meantime, because the show makes it look like he did nothing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The BlackBear Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 The moment all the old characters started showing up and name dropping those who hadn't returned I was cringing so hard. And the time travel, it doesn't make any sense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyoshi Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 The Haitian: where was he on June 13?Tommy: Wouldn't Hiro try his hardest to prevent Tommy from being kidnapped by The Company (because to him, this would be a huge butterfly)?Where and how did they kidnap Tommy? I would think that Hiro would've had him home-schooled, that would really limit the opportunities to kidnap him. Also, since Hiro had been training him his whole life, why didn't he just teleport?The Haitian could've been preventing his powers? But The Haitian only ever roles with Noah so wouldn't Hiro tried to have talked to them? And even if Hiro wasn't around, wouldn't Noah get all sorts of confused because this kid is calling him grandfather?The Company doesn't just tag and release; what they first do is study the evo and then decide what to do:A) Harmless; tag and release. Useful; let's recruit the evo.C) Dangerous; lock him/her up (or if their extremely dangerous, kill him/her).There's no way The Company would've let Tommy go, or if they did he would've been heavily monitored.And the hell was Hiro doing in the meantime, because the show makes it look like he did nothing?Also, the twins would have been raised in a time-period that coincides with the events of seasons 1 to 4 (or 5, can't remember when it got cancelled). It doesn't sit well with me that they were just roaming around at the same time as all the original characters and that one set of people didn't do something that impacted the events affecting the other set. Really bothers me. I think the only way this stood a chance is if they only referenced's Claire's outing...and then simply moved on without involving the characters from the original series.The moment all the old characters started showing up and name dropping those who hadn't returned I was cringing so hard. And the time travel, it doesn't make any sense!Butterflies. Butterflies fix everything.EDIT: they should have brought back Firefly instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The BlackBear Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 The cast of firefly have gone on to have actual careers, so they aren't available. Much as I love Firefly it's too late now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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