First Men and Andals

[sunny4156]

The North is predominantly first men. The rest of Westerns is Andal. With the exception of the Ironborn, who hold faith with the drowned god, is there friction between the first men and the annals to this day in Westerns or do they live peacefully and do not see each other as different at all?

[Roose on the Loose]

Not that I recall.  Robb would look to anybody like an Andal with his auburn hair.  But he's accepted by the Northern Lords who are almost all First Men.  

It's kinda unrealistic that there would be so little cultural antagonism, or that almost a whole continent speaks one language.  But it helps to tell the story.

[Knight Of Winter]

By now, all the ethnic groups have so intermingled with each other that I don't think that anyone notices or cares about Andalness or Firstmanness anymore.

It's kinda unrealistic that there would be so little cultural antagonism

Why? In modern Europe, do you see any antagonism between Slavic and Germaninc people? Or between people of Celtic and Roman origins? Do you see e.g. Hungarians being ostracized as an ethnic group?

Give them a few hundred years, and people of various ethnic groups will intermingle to a degree that they're basically the same people (unless some group is actively trying not to mix with other groups, which wasn't the case in 7K.). And in Westeros, First Men and Andals have been around for thousands of years.

[Roose on the Loose]

By now, all the ethnic groups have so intermingled with each other that I don't think that anyone notices or cares about Andalness or Firstmanness anymore.

Why? In modern Europe, do you see any antagonism between Slavic and Germaninc people? Or between people of Celtic and Roman origins? Do you see e.g. Hungarians being ostracized as an ethnic group?

Give them a few hundred years, and people of various ethnic groups will intermingle to a degree that they're basically the same people (unless some group is actively trying not to mix with other groups, which wasn't the case in 7K.). And in Westeros, First Men and Andals have been around for thousands of years.

What you see in Europe is many language groups.  And the English and French loathe each other to this day.

[Knight Of Winter]

What you see in Europe is many language groups.  And the English and French loathe each other to this day.

What I listed were not just language but ethnic groups as well.

[joluoto2]

The South is basically a Andal- First Men mix with cultural influences from both. The thing that makes them more Andal than First Men is because they're following the Andal religion.

And then we have the Dornish that have Rhoynar blood in the mix, and are thus culturally different from the rest of the South, but arer still mainly following the Seven.

[none-for-joffrey]

certainly some friction that may be based on the old first men vs andal, though currently its not specifically that. more geographical and religious friction in the current time.

the northerners and southrons seem to think their are inherent differences between the peoples, the idea that they just naturally dont do well in the others environment (northmen melt when they come south line comes to mind), and they poke at eachother for what religion they follow plenty in the books.

as an example of the underlying sentiment, take the accusations made against Robb when Sansa is being held accountable by joffrey, lancal says how the northmen used an army of wolves and used sorcery, ate the dead etc. causes a ruckus, and that fact they would even make such an accusation, without the fear that most would say its nonsense,  leads me to think that many people think 'yeah, of course, those northmen are all savages worshipping savage gods'. 

[Sunandspear]

The descendants of the First Men and the Rhoynar certainly seem proud of their heritage, but I don't think they harbor any animosity towards the descendants of the Andals. They're much too intermingled for that.

[RedShirt47]

What you see in Europe is many language groups.  And the English and French loathe each other to this day.

I think Britain is a better example. The Angles and Saxons settled in the south and east (England) leaving the original celts in the morth (Scotland) and west (Wales and Cornwall). They all speak English with some celtic spoken in some rural communities a little like how the wildlings still speak the Old Tongue in places. Apart from Football these people live in peace.

[AryaNymeriaVisenya]

By now, all the ethnic groups have so intermingled with each other that I don't think that anyone notices or cares about Andalness or Firstmanness anymore.

Why? In modern Europe, do you see any antagonism between Slavic and Germaninc people? Or between people of Celtic and Roman origins? Do you see e.g. Hungarians being ostracized as an ethnic group?

Give them a few hundred years, and people of various ethnic groups will intermingle to a degree that they're basically the same people (unless some group is actively trying not to mix with other groups, which wasn't the case in 7K.). And in Westeros, First Men and Andals have been around for thousands of years.

Saxon and Celt, yes. Where do you think the Scots independance thing comes from, or the Cornish independance stuff? Even Ireland to a degree starts with a feeling of intrinsic difference.