John Doe Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 If Cersei looses her trial and the incest finally becomes public knowledge, her children loose their throne and possibly their lives. Stannis would be next in line, but neither the Tyrells nor the faith should be interested in having him sit the throne. Dany is still at the other end of the world and will stay there for most of the next book. Will they turn to Aegon? Or Edric Storm, who is conveniently in Lys where Ser Humfrey Hightower is hiring sellsails? A Lannister should be next in line, but it's unlikely anyone would prefer them so shortly after the incest story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon The Black Dragon Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Stannis should seeing how he's Roberts only living brother and all of Roberts real kids are bastards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curled Finger Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 The Hand would have to warm the throne in this scenario until ooooh wicked thought here, until Marg is released to serve as queen Regent until Tommen comes of age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetitansbastard Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Margaery is de facto head of state in the immediate future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Doe Posted January 5, 2016 Author Share Posted January 5, 2016 The Hand would have to warm the throne in this scenario until ooooh wicked thought here, until Marg is released to serve as queen Regent until Tommen comes of age. But he'd most likely be associated with the incest, wouldn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victarion Chainbreaker Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 The trial is not questioning about the father of Cersei's children.If Cersei is found guilty, Tommen remains king. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetitansbastard Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 The trial is not questioning about the father of Cersei's children.If Cersei is found guilty, Tommen remains king.Tommen going to be dead, Tyrells take over at this point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Doe Posted January 5, 2016 Author Share Posted January 5, 2016 The trial is not questioning about the father of Cersei's children.If Cersei is found guilty, Tommen remains king. He (the High Septon) nodded. "Last of all, and worst of all, there are some who say your children were not fathered by King Robert, that they are bastards born of incest and adultery." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aryagonnakill#2 Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 The trial is not questioning about the father of Cersei's children.If Cersei is found guilty, Tommen remains king.I don't think this is correct. Cersei was accused of many things, including incest with Jaime while Robert was on the throne. Her walk of shame took care of only her banging people after Robert died.What I find most interesting, is that if found guilty, Tommens order reinstating the faith militant would be illegal, so there is really no 1 with any power in Kings Landing who should want her convicted. Not that she will be anyway so this whole thread is kind of pointless. Cersei has declared trial by combat and is being defended by Ungregor, and her accusers are Kettleblack, Lancel, and the Faith. Even if Ungregor has to fight all 3 separately, I don't see how she could loose.Margery on the other hand will be tried, and Varys could surely effect the outcome if he chooses to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetitansbastard Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 I think all Varys cares about is there being a state of chaos in the capital, regardless of who if anyone is on the throne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Doe Posted January 5, 2016 Author Share Posted January 5, 2016 Not that she will be anyway so this whole thread is kind of pointless.A lot of people think she will, it's up to speculation until TWOW comes out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Wraith Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 The trial is not questioning about the father of Cersei's children.If Cersei is found guilty, Tommen remains king.Bingo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aryagonnakill#2 Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 A lot of people think she will, it's up to speculation until TWOW comes out. A lot of people believe a lot of things, that does not increase their likelihood. Even if Myrcella died from Darkstars attack, even if her "crowning" in Dorne counts, Cersei does not know of either. Tommen is also not physically capable of strangling her to death yet, and no other candidate for Valonqar is around to do the deed. Also, she would not be executed via strangling, so even if Valonqar became any random little brother she would still be beheaded if found guilty of her crimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Doe Posted January 5, 2016 Author Share Posted January 5, 2016 Bingo.The High Septon mentioned it as one of the charges, though. Do you think he'll leave it out? If so, why mention it at all?A lot of people believe a lot of things, that does not increase their likelihood. Even if Myrcella died from Darkstars attack, even if her "crowning" in Dorne counts, Cersei does not know of either. Tommen is also not physically capable of strangling her to death yet, and no other candidate for Valonqar is around to do the deed. Also, she would not be executed via strangling, so even if Valonqar became any random little brother she would still be beheaded if found guilty of her crimes. She could be killed before, during or after the trial. Or decide not to attend. But it doesn't change the issue of who'll be crowned after these "Baratheons" are dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light a wight tonight Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 It's really unlikley that Cersei loses her trial by combat, but one amusing speculation is Tyene Sand standing in as he Faith's champion, to finish what her father started. Stannis would be the correct person to sit the Iron Throne if Cersei's kids are declared bastards, but he wouldn't be acceptable to the Faith because of his association with the Red God. The same should be true of Shireen. They might try legitimizing Edric Storm as a Baratheon, or call on one or another of the Targs, real or fake, that are floating around. There's zero reason to call on any Lannister. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Wraith Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 The High Septon mentioned it as one of the charges, though. Do you think he'll leave it out? If so, why mention it at all?She could be killed before, during or after the trial. Or decide not to attend. But it doesn't change the issue of who'll be crowned after these "Baratheons" are dead.The incest she admits to is banging Lancel not Jaime. Even she isn't as big an idiot to admit that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetitansbastard Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 The incest she admits to is banging Lancel not Jaime. Even she isn't as big an idiot to admit that.What is Lancel, her cousin? Wasn't Joanna Tywin's cousin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancakes1800 Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Cersei won't lose her trial so it's a moot point, but if she somehow does, with Stannis in open rebellion and an enemy of the crown It could pass to Myrcella or they could decide to do a great council to decide. Again, Cersei will win her trial so it's a moot point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_Land Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 The incest she admits to is banging Lancel not Jaime. Even she isn't as big an idiot to admit that.the walk was the punishment for the sins she admitted to. The trial is for the stuff she denied ... The incest is one of the charges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Doe Posted January 5, 2016 Author Share Posted January 5, 2016 The incest she admits to is banging Lancel not Jaime. Even she isn't as big an idiot to admit that.And for those crimes she doesn't admit, like her incest and cuckolding Robert she is put on trial. Jaime doesn't need to be the father for her children to be illegitimate. The important part is that they "were not fathered by King Robert, that they are bastards born of incest and adultery", as the High Septon put it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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