Kris Brass Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Daenerys will probably take the Khalasar and add it to her armies. However, this will only give her 40,000 riders, less than 8,000 Unsullied and an additional 2,000 Calvary. This is less than 50,000 soldiers and 3 Dragons. It doesn't seem efficient in conquering the entirety of the 7 Kingdoms. Even if Daenerys manages to make it as far as Westeros, she seems to be having extreme difficulty in leading her own city. She is finding people -both inside and outside of her town, that are rebelling against her. If she can't even manage leading that, how does she expect to lead the entirety of Westeros? It seems absurd. Do you think she will finally make it to Westeros, and even if she does, what will happen? The author has promised a bittersweet ending, what if Daenerys decides to be the Queen of the lands across the Narrow Sea? That seems to fit the bill to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channel4s-JonSnow Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 I think Danys assumption was that once she got to westeros everyone would get behind her cause , her being a targ and all. That probably wouldn't happen. her arc has already been about learning that ruling a kingdom is far harder than taking it, and I think it's possible she's learnt that maybe she can't be that loving peaceful mother character she was trying to be. The show has hinted at her 'breaking the wheel' , but I'm not sure what that would essentially mean. as for her army, I suspect that Dothraki aren't really cut out for siege warfare, against large stone structures. Even with dragons it would take a lot to get through most castles. the likelihood has always been that Dany will invade at a point where everyone else is so distracted / worn out by fighting each other / white walkers / famine , and it should be an easier task. Well that's always been my suspicion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Friendzone Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Dany is supposed to be unite all of Dothrakis and that would be a much bigger number than 40 000 riders. So imagine them+Second Sons+Unsullied. I imagine she will need allies from Westeros even with that kind of army and three dragons. Not just purely for military purposes but most of all political. Aegon had a bigger dragons but no such an army( i think 10 000). Especially since others will be worn out by fighting each other, North preoccupied with ww invasion etc. OI suspect her invasion will be rather succesful one but not quick, but not without obstacles and mainly talking about Euron and his obsession for dragons. Dorne comes into the picture as her first step to land and ally to gather. Of course it's harder to rule, than to take it, She learned it in Meereen and it will serve her as a lesson. Fire&Blood is her way, but it will be interesting if show will go soft on her and not go fully into Fire&Blood mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Walter of AShwood Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Quote Dany is supposed to be unite all of Dothrakis and that would be a much bigger number than 40 000 riders. So imagine them+Second Sons+Unsullied. Exactly this. She has now been captured by a Dothraki horde, who will take her to Vaes Dothrak. Drogon will surely follow her and 'come to the rescue' again when she is in danger inside of the city. With Dany being able to ride Drogon (no, he is not tamed), the Dothraki will all see Dany and Drogon as the Stallion who will ride the world and allign with her. She can then break/destroy the siege of Mereen and incorporate the Second Sons and other sellsword companies that are currently in/around mereen together with the unsullied into her army. Imagine the 3 biggest sellsword companies, aligned with the Unsullied and the biggest Dothraki horde ever seen. She could easily take the seven kingdoms by storm, but keeping them will then be an entirely different story. So in stead of ravaging the country with an unbeatable army, she should look for ways to ensure the support of both the larger (not the biggest) houses and the smallfolk. however, it could well be that Dany will be taking a long time before gathering the horde and all the sellsword companies before being able to ship them to Westeros. In that time, it could well be that the Seven kingdoms are being overrun by the White Walkers. her army could well be the only thing standing between White Walker Supremacy (that sounds nasty in more way then one) in Westeros, or man kind surviving. If she arrives to save the day, nobles and smallfolk alike will be all too happy to have her taking a (very) high position in the 'new Seven Kingdoms'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drogonthedread Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Khal drogo's khalasar alone had 100000 dothraki with him ....so its not going to be just 40000 ... 100000 dothraki's 8000 unsullied and 2000 sellswords. ...plus whatever army taht has been made out of freed people .... Siege weapons can be made by others ..does not need dothraki for that ...dany tyrion and jorah knows about theses things ... Plus add 3 dragons .. And we have to consider the shape westeros is going to be in ...all kingdoms wasted by the wars if five kings and three queens..winter . Its more than what aegon had 40 minutes ago, Lord Friendzone said: Dany is supposed to be unite all of Dothrakis and that would be a much bigger number than 40 000 riders. So imagine them+Second Sons+Unsullied. I imagine she will need allies from Westeros even with that kind of army and three dragons. Not just purely for military purposes but most of all political. Aegon had a bigger dragons but no such an army( i think 10 000). Especially since others will be worn out by fighting each other, North preoccupied with ww invasion etc. OI suspect her invasion will be rather succesful one but not quick, but not without obstacles and mainly talking about Euron and his obsession for dragons. Dorne comes into the picture as her first step to land and ally to gather. Of course it's harder to rule, than to take it, She learned it in Meereen and it will serve her as a lesson. Fire&Blood is her way, but it will be interesting if show will go soft on her and not go fully into Fire&Blood mode. If anything they have made her completely hard and ruthless and removed all the softness.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonSnowed Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 She will almost certainly make it to Westeros but I see no happy ending when she does. More likely there is no Kings Landing left and she plays a role against the White Walkers - I think a lot will see her as an invading conquerer too so unlikely to gather significant support! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robasp2 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 The show constantly hints at her being badass. However, Drogon is shown to be weak, slightly mad etc. Everyone hates her, but in westeros I guess people hate the lannisters more. With WW coming, only her dragons will save everyone, so obviously people will worship her,& thus she becomes the "badass" The bittersweet ending to me is someone close to her assassinating her. Caesar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonSnowed Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 I think she won't survive the series too, I can see Arya possibly being the one to take her out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Guapo Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 She can but she won't. I think the HOTU scene in the show made that clear. She will get close to conquering the throne but then head north to deal with the Others where she will ultimately perish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robasp2 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Hmm. Good one ElGuapo. I never noticed the hidden meaning in HOTU. But one must remember she went there only because she heard her dragons..otherwise she would be standing on the throne doing a harlem shake. I suspect D&D had such long plans, but GRRM most probably.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubblegum Bitch Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 I interpreted the HOTU scene as her turning her back on the conquest for the throne to fight against the "real" threat (Winter/Others). It won't actually get to that state but it's a clash of two destinies for her, one that she thinks she wants and one that she will ultimately take. After all, she didn't sit on the throne. She was tempted but she choose to find the dragons, her children. I think she could conquer Westeros in its current state but she would soon lose control like she did of Meeren in a sense, she has never been in that land in a significant amount of time so she doesn't know what it takes to rule there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kris Brass Posted January 19, 2016 Author Share Posted January 19, 2016 I think it would be overwhelmingly depressing if The White Walkers destroyed the majority of Westeros and Daenerys came into the picture, only to defeat them, but die herself. Yes, visions into the future from both Daenerys & Bran show the Iron Throne empty, the ceiling collapsed and snow falling, but, I think this sort of ending would simply be 'too bitter'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shk12344 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 I can't imagine any scenario where Dany will fight the Whitewalkers. I think if Dany had any role in that fight there would have been hints throughout the show much like in the case of R + L =J. I firmly believe it will be Jon and Jon alone who will lead the fight against the Whitewalkers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dariopatke Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 And do you really think people will like her when she releases min 40k screamers on Westeros to rape and burn? She can forbid that to Unsullied but not to Dotrakhi. They will gladly remember those happy days when Mountain was in Riverlands. Lords wont like her too. Lannisters for obvious reason, Tyrells and Hightowers ( first are in power, second hate magic and dragons), maesters, Starks (they did kill Rickard and Brandon and Daenerys thinks Ned is traitor), Tullys will side with Starks, Freys will be in chaos when Walder dies so anything could happen with them. Mannis wont support her, fAegon and Martells too, so who does she have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Friendzone Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 1 hour ago, shk12344 said: I can't imagine any scenario where Dany will fight the Whitewalkers. I think if Dany had any role in that fight there would have been hints throughout the show much like in the case of R + L =J. I firmly believe it will be Jon and Jon alone who will lead the fight against the Whitewalkers. She will and there is foreshadowing for it in the books and show. Listen, I really like Jon, but to say Jon and Jon only is wishful thinking. As how many leaders...naturally I'd say Jon, Dany and Tyrion but others could rise to the occasion. 2 hours ago, Kris Brass said: I think it would be overwhelmingly depressing if The White Walkers destroyed the majority of Westeros and Daenerys came into the picture, only to defeat them, but die herself. Yes, visions into the future from both Daenerys & Bran show the Iron Throne empty, the ceiling collapsed and snow falling, but, I think this sort of ending would simply be 'too bitter'. It would be lame if people putting ressistance against them will be almost defeated, and then comes Team Dany to the rescue. It makes for good tv as you can see for example with Rohan coming to rescue Gondor. But I hate this...like deaux ex machina style. I want all them to struggle against ww. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drogonthedread Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 20 hours ago, Channel4s-JonSnow said: I think Danys assumption was that once she got to westeros everyone would get behind her cause , her being a targ and all. That probably wouldn't happen. her arc has already been about learning that ruling a kingdom is far harder than taking it, and I think it's possible she's learnt that maybe she can't be that loving peaceful mother character she was trying to be. The show has hinted at her 'breaking the wheel' , but I'm not sure what that would essentially mean. as for her army, I suspect that Dothraki aren't really cut out for siege warfare, against large stone structures. Even with dragons it would take a lot to get through most castles. the likelihood has always been that Dany will invade at a point where everyone else is so distracted / worn out by fighting each other / white walkers / famine , and it should be an easier task. Well that's always been my suspicion. The sad thing this dany don't have that assumption at all...it's viserys who believed in that not dany .. 10 hours ago, shk12344 said: I can't imagine any scenario where Dany will fight the Whitewalkers. I think if Dany had any role in that fight there would have been hints throughout the show much like in the case of R + L =J. I firmly believe it will be Jon and Jon alone who will lead the fight against the Whitewalkers. You mean like the spiral imagery used by WW when they decorate the dead ...and spiral imagery in drogo's pyre and yunkai and with dothraki circling her ... You mean like going beyond the wall in a vision .. You mean like finishing an episode with such hopeless feeling and situation( hardhome) and finishing the next one that gives the hope and something to believe( dany flying on drogon ) You mean like dothraki having a tale of Ghost grass covering the whole worlds and killing all other grass... You mean to say that Mother of Dragons will have nothing to play against WW when the only thing that works against them is Dragon steel and Dragon glass.. Even the one and only jon snow hopes that a dragon or three will come in handy at the wall... So yeah I would like to see how jon just jon alone fight the WW ...after all one must only act like Hardhome never happened right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonSnowed Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Will Dany play a role against the Whitewalker - yes, will she be well received almost certainly no - she may well be being set up as the ultimate villain of the piece and winning the iron throne to me is not going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Friendzone Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Cersei, Euron, WW isn't that enough for villains? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kris Brass Posted January 20, 2016 Author Share Posted January 20, 2016 3 hours ago, Lord Friendzone said: Cersei, Euron, WW isn't that enough for villains? Ramsay Snow seems to be more villainous than Cersei. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Friendzone Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 1 hour ago, Kris Brass said: Ramsay Snow seems to be more villainous than Cersei. Yeah, I meant for Dany and a bit more in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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