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Maybe Maul's horns are spiracles and he doesn't have lungs or the force allows him to hold his breath a long time? Qui Gon is essentially human so I guess light sabre through the heart is game over. Fanwank excuse is surviving beyong mortal wounds is dark side territory and light side users therefore prefer death? It sort of fits given this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05dT34hGRdg and Vader.

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The thing that excited me most a out the trailer is that it gives rise to the hope we'll see a little more detail about how the Rebellion came to be...I've always assumed that it was much more organized from the get go with Bailey Organa seeming to lay some groundwork in the prequels, though Rogue One dispelled some of that, but Rebels might just be filling some blanks...

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Due to Thrawn's heavy presence in the trailer, I predict that any major battles that will take place this season will be victories for the Empire. Based on A New Hope's title crawl, the battle of Scarif is supposed to be the first major victory for the Alliance, and even that one was a Pyrrhic victory. So I think we should prepare for some tragedy alongside that hope feel.

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2 hours ago, red snow said:

that new trailer looks great and it really does seem like the show will (hopefully) take us right up to Rogue One and maybe beyond.

If you can handle the narrator's voice (it made my ears reverberate) there's a slightly more detailed version here.

Anakin wasn't in much better shape and like andrewJ said we can just assume all non vital organs are in his chest (or the force kept him going until all the essentials were replaced by machines). The video points out the hokey paet which is how he crawled into a trashcan that was then delivered to another planet.

I guess I can roll with it as he's pretty cool.

Like Scott says it sets a worrying precedent making me worry Palpatine may yet reappear.

Nah Palpatine didn't die from the fall, he died from the Death Star blowing up.  Mace Windu on the other hand is confirmed to still be alive.  He's probably Snoke.

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5 hours ago, karaddin said:

I'm as pumped by that mid season trailer as last year, and this one doesn't have Ahsoka so that's saying something.

speaking of, I wonder when we'll get an update on her? End of season? I guess it depends when Vader comes back into play as she works best with him around given their history. This season seems to be split between Thrawn and Maul so they are possibly resting Vader/Ahsoka.

I hope Thrawn isn't a one season villain as he's something different in Star Wars - an effective villain as opposed to a showy one. I also like the more "management" type antagonists when dealing with an empire.

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1 hour ago, red snow said:

speaking of, I wonder when we'll get an update on her? End of season? I guess it depends when Vader comes back into play as she works best with him around given their history. This season seems to be split between Thrawn and Maul so they are possibly resting Vader/Ahsoka.

I hope Thrawn isn't a one season villain as he's something different in Star Wars - an effective villain as opposed to a showy one. I also like the more "management" type antagonists when dealing with an empire.

If he is effective, why wasn't he protecting the Death Star, either time?

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That's the chief problem with Thrawn as a multi season antagonist. We now have a solid timer on how long certain things can take. If Thrawn is to score a crushing victory (and I think he should and will) then it needs to happen very soon. The Yavin base needs to get up and the alliance needs to have had time to rebuild the fleet after that happens and the ground rebellion needs to escalate a lot. The kind of insurgency shown on Jeddah in R1 is further along than we are now (although I guess Ryloth is in pretty open rebellion the whole time).

So Thrawn needs to have a victory that seems decisive for a time and get assigned away, or he needs to be disgraced by his failure which isn't where I see it all going. Granted we never actually see a fleet in R1, and the Empires surprise at the huge attack would fit with them thinking it was all under control, so perhaps he is still around and just elsewhere during R1 and ANH (given there's no fleet escorting the Death Star). This could make the loss of the Death Star when he supposedly had it all under control the disgrace that gets him sent away before RotJ.

Now I've said it that actually works, but Chopper base needs to be found first (which is coming), the relocation to Yavin (possibly via Dantooine) and the Rebellion becoming much more centralised (also coming this season given Mon Mothma) before we hit R1 and ANH. I expect Cassian will be in the next season too now he's had his movie appearance.

 

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4 hours ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

If he is effective, why wasn't he protecting the Death Star, either time?

Simple answer would be "he's dead by then"

4 hours ago, karaddin said:

That's the chief problem with Thrawn as a multi season antagonist. We now have a solid timer on how long certain things can take. If Thrawn is to score a crushing victory (and I think he should and will) then it needs to happen very soon. The Yavin base needs to get up and the alliance needs to have had time to rebuild the fleet after that happens and the ground rebellion needs to escalate a lot. The kind of insurgency shown on Jeddah in R1 is further along than we are now (although I guess Ryloth is in pretty open rebellion the whole time).

So Thrawn needs to have a victory that seems decisive for a time and get assigned away, or he needs to be disgraced by his failure which isn't where I see it all going. Granted we never actually see a fleet in R1, and the Empires surprise at the huge attack would fit with them thinking it was all under control, so perhaps he is still around and just elsewhere during R1 and ANH (given there's no fleet escorting the Death Star). This could make the loss of the Death Star when he supposedly had it all under control the disgrace that gets him sent away before RotJ.

 

 

Is there any post Disney canon suggesting Thrawn is around from Rogue one onwards?

The other alternative is that Thrawn is simply too successful. Throughout the Roman Republic/Empire one of the worst thing a general could do was be excellent at his job - unless he seized power with that success. If they didn't make a play for power then the ones who were/wanted to be sidelined you pretty quickly. In the case of Thrawn, the Emperor (fearing regular non-sith villains would rally around thrawn) or others wanting the position for themselves (maybe Vader, or more likely Tarkin) get rid of Thrawn after achieving some of the things you suggest. I haven't seen any indication that Thrawn is ambitious in the sense of wanting to rule the empire so would be surpised if he would make a move.

Given that scenario others may kill him or simply sideline him with a non-vital job where the goal is to keep him away. Send him to the frontiers of the Galaxy or, in Tarkin's case, as far away from the Death Star as possible.

Again, it's surprising how often politics over-ride military tactics where you'd think having the best general overlooking your most powerful weapon.

This way Tarkin keeps his prowess and cred as a genuine threat intact without having to fail. How did they get around the Tarkin issue in the old continuity? From what I know Tarkin is definitely still around post ROTJ.

Edit: I meant "Thrawn is around post ROTJ" - new year, new mistakes.

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24 minutes ago, red snow said:

From what I know Tarkin is definitely still around post ROTJ.

Err no, he dies when the first Death Star blows up, famously refusing to consider evacuating despite being told that there is a slight chance the Rebel attack might succeed.

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2 hours ago, Jon AS said:

Err no, he dies when the first Death Star blows up, famously refusing to consider evacuating despite being told that there is a slight chance the Rebel attack might succeed.

Shows how little I know about the character and the old expanded university continuity! I genuinely thought he took over after ROTJ in an attempt to hold the empire together :blink:

Edit: : Like Wert said. I still think I'm talking about thrawn and not tarkin. Clearly I'm getting CGI characters mixed up now and should stick to "blue guy"

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20 hours ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

I think it is wonderful that he is an actual character.  I don't think cauterization matters.  If it did why was Qui Gon's wound so serious?  The fact that Maul didn't have the lower half of his body is what matters, in my opinion.  They need to explain that he wasn't actually... sliced in half, and perhaps then I could buy his survival.

Jedi and Sith do have form for surviving ludicrous injuries. Anakin, actually, was injured far worse than Maul and it's made clear he's only alive partially due to the suit and immersing himself in bacta on a regular basis. The main reason he's still alive is that the Force is sustaining him. Same thing with Maul as well.

Also, Maul was sliced in half between his legs and stomach (if that's even where his species has its stomach), not actually through his guts.

Qui-Gon died because his internal organs were destroyed by being impaled with the lightsabre, which his body could not survive. The Emperor was also being sustained by the Dark Side of the Force, when he hit the bottom of the tower, he went splat and the Dark Side energy sustaining him burst out and consumed him (which is what that blue lightshow was all about).

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Shows how little I know about the character and the old expanded university continuity! I genuinely thought he took over after ROTJ in an attempt to hold the empire together :blink:

You mean Thrawn, not Tarkin right?

In the old Expanded Universe continuity Thrawn was around during the early days of the Rebellion (he appears in TIE Fighter) until the Emperor assigns him to a mission in the Unknown Regions of the galaxy, so is far away when the movies take place. Then he returns 4-5 years after Return of the Jedi and leads a highly successful campaign to weaken the New Republic and almost wins, but is assassinated by one of his own bodyguards (it blindsides him out of nowhere, the only way an assassination attempt would succeed).

That's all no longer canon, so Filoni has the choice of killing Thrawn off now, or keeping him around but somewhere else.

There's some intriguing rumours flying around of either a big time jump for Rebels from pre-Rogue One to post-RotJ, or the introduction of a whole new series set post-RotJ (either alongside or replacing Rebels), so Filoni could be laying pipe for future antagonists and storylines for that possibility.

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12 minutes ago, Werthead said:

You mean Thrawn, not Tarkin right?

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There's some intriguing rumours flying around of either a big time jump for Rebels from pre-Rogue One to post-RotJ, or the introduction of a whole new series set post-RotJ (either alongside or replacing Rebels), so Filoni could be laying pipe for future antagonists and storylines for that possibility.

I'm an idiot getting the two mixed up. I was talking about Thrawn not Tarkin in response to being around post ROTJ

It would make a nice mirror to have another show bridging the gap between VI and VII like rebels is III and IV. I think it would be too big a jump if all the chatacters carried over but if there were a handful (like they've done with the clone soldier and Ahsoka from clone wars to rebels) it would work without us all wondering what the crew were doing for 10 years and throughout eps IV-VI.

Filoni seems to be getting more comfortable with the epic side of star wars with each season so I'd be quite interested to see where a new show would go.

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24 minutes ago, Werthead said:

In the old Expanded Universe continuity Thrawn was around during the early days of the Rebellion (he appears in TIE Fighter) until the Emperor assigns him to a mission in the Unknown Regions of the galaxy, so is far away when the movies take place. Then he returns 4-5 years after Return of the Jedi and leads a highly successful campaign to weaken the New Republic and almost wins, but is assassinated by one of his own bodyguards (it blindsides him out of nowhere, the only way an assassination attempt would succeed).

That's all no longer canon, so Filoni has the choice of killing Thrawn off now, or keeping him around but somewhere else.

There's some intriguing rumours flying around of either a big time jump for Rebels from pre-Rogue One to post-RotJ, or the introduction of a whole new series set post-RotJ (either alongside or replacing Rebels), so Filoni could be laying pipe for future antagonists and storylines for that possibility.

I'd love for them to keep Thrawns old EU backstory here if they do make a post-Jedi series. It allows them to bring him back in a new series and gives another connection from one to the other, like we've seen between TCW and Rebels. Plus, it's really a simple way to take him off screen without damaging his rep and he'd fill the power vacuum perfectly for the Empire post-Jedi.

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8 hours ago, red snow said:

speaking of, I wonder when we'll get an update on her? End of season? I guess it depends when Vader comes back into play as she works best with him around given their history. This season seems to be split between Thrawn and Maul so they are possibly resting Vader/Ahsoka.

I'd be (pleasantly) surprised if we saw her again on Rebels. I figured the idea of leaving her presumed dead stranded in that temple was to bench her until Vader was dead. It was great seeing them interact, but can they really take that relationship any further without stepping on the original trilogy? The only thing I think they could still do that would have any impact would be to have Vader kill her. If they wanted to go that way I think they already would have. 

So my hope is they're saving her for the rumored post-ROTJ show. 

Edit: Just thinking I wonder if it'll eventually be revealed that she was killed by Kylo at the massacre of Luke's Jedi summer camp. I doubt he'd beat her in a fight but one could imagine him surprising her.

17 hours ago, Corvinus said:

Due to Thrawn's heavy presence in the trailer, I predict that any major battles that will take place this season will be victories for the Empire. Based on A New Hope's title crawl, the battle of Scarif is supposed to be the first major victory for the Alliance, and even that one was a Pyrrhic victory. So I think we should prepare for some tragedy alongside that hope feel.

I agree, but if this is the case Vader's "There will be no one to stop us this time!" line from Star Wars is weird. Who stopped them before? Budget cuts by the senate? 

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11 minutes ago, RumHam said:

I agree, but if this is the case Vader's "There will be no one to stop us this time!" line from Star Wars is weird. Who stopped them before? Budget cuts by the senate? 

Maybe it's just a reference that the plans had slipped through his fingers twice: once at Scarif where the guy slipped it through the door and on the Tantive where Leia put the plans in the escape pod. He's assuming "no life forms aboard" means no one to stop them.

He didn't figure on the wiles of his former co-pilot....

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Just now, Myrddin said:

Maybe it's just a reference that the plans had slipped through his fingers twice: once at Scarif where the guy slipped it through the door and on the Tantive where Leia put the plans in the escape pod. He's assuming "no life forms aboard" means no one to stop them.

He didn't figure on the wiles of his former co-pilot....

Ah, that makes sense. 

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19 minutes ago, RumHam said:

I agree, but if this is the case Vader's "There will be no one to stop us this time!" line from Star Wars is weird. Who stopped them before? Budget cuts by the senate? 

 

5 minutes ago, Myrddin said:

Maybe it's just a reference that the plans had slipped through his fingers twice: once at Scarif where the guy slipped it through the door and on the Tantive where Leia put the plans in the escape pod. He's assuming "no life forms aboard" means no one to stop them.

He didn't figure on the wiles of his former co-pilot....

I think we all know what Vader was referring to.

 

 

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5 hours ago, red snow said:

Like Wert said. I still think I'm talking about thrawn and not tarkin. Clearly I'm getting CGI characters mixed up now and should stick to "blue guy"

Oh, yeah. Though given that Tarkin has appeared in the cartoons and in Rogue One it wasn't all that unreasonable for one's mind to wander in that direction.

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