bryan_targaryen Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 In Danys trip to the house of the Undying she sees a man on the wall with pale skin and blue eyes holding a flaming sword. To me this shows Jon coming back as an Other. I haven't seen anyone take this up before. It seems a big deal. Or maybe I'm just wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 You mean this? Quote Glowing like sunset, a red sword was raised in the hand of a blue-eyed king who cast no shadow. Cause most people believe that's referring to Stannis. The fact that he's a king and has no shadow is the giveaway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bryan_targaryen Posted January 24, 2016 Author Share Posted January 24, 2016 You mean this? Glowing like sunset, a red sword was raised in the hand of a blue-eyed king who cast no shadow. Cause most people believe that's referring to Stannis. The fact that he's a king and has no shadow is the giveaway. Yea that's it, but does anyone really believe Stannis is Azore Ahai? I mean Melisendre says it but this is Dany POV. And even Melisendre says she looks for Azore Ahai but R'hillor only shows her Snow. Capital s Snow not snow. She's even abandoned Stannis to stay by Jon's side. I'm hoping I'm wrong but that's how I see the vision in the house of the Undying. That said I don't think it a coincidence that the show made sure Melisendre was back at the wall before Jon died. Pretty obvious she's going to bring him back. And I doubt R'hillor is going to bring him back as an Other. Might be Martin changed his mind on how to bring Jon back between books. HotU was book 2 Dondarions revival book 3. Maybe Martin said yea that's better forget Jon being an Other? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 1 hour ago, bryan_targaryen said: Yea that's it, but does anyone really believe Stannis is Azore Ahai? I mean Melisendre says it but this is Dany POV. And even Melisendre says she looks for Azore Ahai but R'hillor only shows her Snow. Capital s Snow not snow. She's even abandoned Stannis to stay by Jon's side. I'm hoping I'm wrong but that's how I see the vision in the house of the Undying. That said I don't think it a coincidence that the show made sure Melisendre was back at the wall before Jon died. Pretty obvious she's going to bring him back. And I doubt R'hillor is going to bring him back as an Other. Might be Martin changed his mind on how to bring Jon back between books. HotU was book 2 Dondarions revival book 3. Maybe Martin said yea that's better forget Jon being an Other? No, I don't think anyone really believes Stannis is Azor Ahai. But that vision isn't really about Azor Ahai. She sees a series of things past present and future. The "no shadow" thing directly ties to Stannis and Melisandre's shadow babies. There's no symbolic reason for Jon to have no shadow in the vision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bryan_targaryen Posted January 25, 2016 Author Share Posted January 25, 2016 Good points thank you for replying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheepish Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Jon could have no shadow (left) because it has been stolen and transformed by Mel during resurrection. Just a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Fossoway Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 That's Stannis for me. I remember two passagges relating to character's shadows: Tyrion's "even the shortest men cast large shadows" or whatever, and a part where Meli is talking to Jon and then he turns and see his shadow becoming huge against the Wall. These two are fit to be kings, they have cast shadows. Stannis does not, that's why he has no shadow. He isn't really fit to be a true king. Ouch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blind Beth the Cat Lady Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 This is from the "slayer of lies" section, with the cloth dragon and the stone beast breathing shadow fire. So it makes more sense for it to be someone who seems to be Azor Ahai but isn't, i.e. Stannis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blind Beth the Cat Lady Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Also, @bryan_targaryen, you might want to fix the spelling in the thread title. "Azor Ahi" is making me hungry for some nicely seared tuna. :-P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Fossoway Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 A sure oh hi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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