when winter arrives which region will suffer the most

[dread wolf]

when winter comes and the white walkers come with it which region according to u will suffer the most damage region it terms of fertility (in my opinion)

reach

stormlands

riverlands

crownlands

vale

dorne

norh

westerlands

i believe the westerlands will suffer the most 

apologies if this thread is already discussed

[khal drogon]

Why Westerlands?

Might be Riverlands. It is already ravaged by war and the riverfolks were not prepared for a winter. It looks like war will not end there anytime soon. So I guess the riverfolks will have it worst. 

[khal drogon]

Why Westerlands?

Might be Riverlands. It is already ravaged by war and the riverfolks were not prepared for a winter. It looks like war will not end there anytime soon. So I guess the riverfolks will have it worst. 

[LordImp]

Riverlands. Its chaos and their not prepared. 

[Victarion Chainbreaker]

Any answer other than "The North" is wrong.

[dread wolf]

33 minutes ago, khal drogon said:

Why Westerlands?

Might be Riverlands. It is already ravaged by war and the riverfolks were not prepared for a winter. It looks like war will not end there anytime soon. So I guess the riverfolks will have it worst. 

yes but the riverlands is a fertile region once the freys are dealth with order will return to the region.it isn't the first time the riverlands was ravaged by war compared to dance of dragons, blackfyre rebellions the war of the five kings is miniscule at best. 

the westerlands isn't known for its fertility . and the lannisters don't have any friends left. they may temporarily team with tyrells to face martell (enemy of my enemy). during winter food is money.

[dread wolf]

3 minutes ago, Victarion Chainbreaker said:

Any answer other than "The North" is wrong.

im sorry i did not get u

[OwloftheRainwood]

The North...least capable of producing crops, and first region in the path of the White Walkers. While not in utter economic devastation like the Riverlands, the North is in political turmoil, with Starks deposed and Boltons as WoN. 

[dread wolf]

1 minute ago, OwloftheRainwood said:

The North...least capable of producing crops, and first region in the path of the White Walkers. While not in utter economic devastation like the Riverlands, the North is in political turmoil, with Starks deposed and Boltons as WoN. 

yes but winter isn't anything new to them white harbor is well stocked with resources. the vale will help the north sooner or later. my point with the westerlands is that they don't have any friends to help them when winter comes

[OwloftheRainwood]

11 minutes ago, dread wolf said:

yes but winter isn't anything new to them white harbor is well stocked with resources. the vale will help the north sooner or later. my point with the westerlands is that they don't have any friends to help them when winter comes

Obviously winter is not new to Northerners...Normal winter, I agree with you 100% that the North is well prepared, but this not a normal winter. The Walkers are coming and there is political disunity, the Starks are broken. LF is not going to help the North for free, Arryn-Stark-Baratheon alliance is broken. The Westerlands are screwed not due to winter, but due to the deaths Tywin and to a lesser extent, Kevan. House Lannister is doomed. What goes around, comes around.

[dread wolf]

2 minutes ago, OwloftheRainwood said:

Obviously winter is not new to Northerners...Normal winter, I agree with you 100% that the North is well prepared, but this not a normal winter. The Walkers are coming and there is political disunity, the Starks are broken. LF is not going to help the North for free, Arryn-Stark-Baratheon alliance is broken. The Westerlands are screwed not due to winter, but due to the deaths Tywin and to a lesser extent, Kevan. House Lannister is doomed. What goes around, comes around.

u make valid points bro but the north faced the white walkers before (  the long night 1 ) . the boltons will fall in winds. the starks are a symbol to the north when they take winterfell it will boost morale (dnt underestimate morale bro). true LF will not help the north freely but he will be dealt with soon i think. then the vale is obviously going to help the north. tyrion ,genna damien damon are the only lannisters of repute. the lannisters of lannisport (other branches lanny,lantell) are just there on paper.They have fisheries at lannisport but i have a feeling that lannisport will be attacked and burned down by someone. the north has bran a fuckin greeenseer has to do somethin big against the white walkers right 

[OwloftheRainwood]

27 minutes ago, dread wolf said:

u make valid points bro but the north faced the white walkers before (  the long night 1 ) . the boltons will fall in winds. the starks are a symbol to the north when they take winterfell it will boost morale (dnt underestimate morale bro). true LF will not help the north freely but he will be dealt with soon i think. then the vale is obviously going to help the north. tyrion ,genna damien damon are the only lannisters of repute. the lannisters of lannisport (other branches lanny,lantell) are just there on paper.They have fisheries at lannisport but i have a feeling that lannisport will be attacked and burned down by someone. the north has bran a fuckin greeenseer has to do somethin big against the white walkers right 

I think we agree that the Lannisters are toast. When the most powerful Lannisters are the Boy King Tommen and Cersei after her atonement, they're pretty much done. They've pissed too many people off. The Dornish and the North want revenge.

Again, just like winter, the North has seen White Walkers, but unlike last time the North doesn't have Starks in power. There is no immediate way for them to return to power, perhaps Manderly or Howland Reed has something up his sleeve, but we don't know. You make many unfounded assumptions..."morale" somehow saves the North? Frankly, that's nonsense. Morale certainly makes a difference, but GRRM's style is more practical and brutal - morale plays less a role than in other fantasy...Morale doesn't do anything for you if you're Robb at the Red Wedding. LF will be "dealt with"? I hope so, but he's come out ahead at the expense of both Starks and Lannisters so far and has been busy making allies in the Vale (not the traditional, powerful lords). He definitely has plans for Sansa and increasing his power. You really have no evidence the vale will "obviously" support the North (how would they, in your example where LF is fighting with the traditional lords of the vale? - it's contradictory). They didn't support Robb during W5K. Nor is it certain that the Boltons will fall soon (again, I hope they do) - they could've slaughtered Stannis already depending on the validity of the pink letter. If anything "morale" is in the favor of the Boltons vs Stannis because Stannis' army is out in the cold. 

 

[Scorpion92]

The North. But it is okay, because new King of Winter will arise and march "ice" forces against "Fire and Blood" destroyed South.

[Nyrhex]

The North and by such a long lead it's not even funny. It's not even winter and it's already colder than anything most people south of the Neck have ever known, and they have been through some winters by now. The population should logically be fucked, considering that they would be snowed in for years, with the country ill-prepared for it since they have lost so much due to the war. Bran orders the Northern lords to start hoarding food for winter just a couple months before the North plunges into war, with the Bolton-Manderly mini civil war already a thing since ACOK, the Ironborn depopulating the west with raids, the northern lords are the most depleted since they left the least amount of men behind, and so have the most losses during the last harvest, and now you have Stannis and Bolton taking what is left of the North for a showdown at Winterfell - The old capital of the North, where people would turn to in times of need. It has so little food stockpiles after the sacking by Ramsay that even with Manderly's considerable food support they can only keep the army there for a few months. 

After that come the Riverlands. No chance of a last harvest, the country was burned down several times, mostly in the south. The Freys now hold most of the northern Riverlands with Riverrun, while Littlefinger has techical authority over the whole thing. Littlefinger has no reason to help the Riverlands out of the goodness of his heart, but it is very likely that the food he is purchasing from the Vale as ever increasing costs is meant to be his stratigic weapon for a winter war. When lords have to choose between a bunch of crap options with an already empty belly, the man with the resources, in this case Littlefinger, looks alot better as an option.

The Iron Islands and the Crownlands share the third spot. Similar problems, different reasoning. The Crownlands have the capital. As we have seen in ACOK, and up north with Bran and the harvest feast, and in Alayne I from TWOW, lthe lords of Westeros literally wait for the last second to start preparing for Winter. There was no food for the very short period Renly lived and had the Rose Road closed. It was such an issue the due to the shortages even after the the Tyrells have reopened the road, the prices for basic goods remain extremely high. Famine and sickness would be a major issue if the Reach was to focus on it's own people, a scenario not too far fetched with the war expanding with more factions. The Iron Islands have not suffered as much as the Crownlands from raids and war, but they have lost and will continue to lose a massive chunk of thier population. Being further up north and assuming the pillaging of the Reach would come to it's end the moment the Redwyne fleet returns to smash what little power Euron has, it is vital for the Iron Isles to pull an ace, or the Reach and the Westerlands would ignore any and all pleas for help while they suffer in winter, only to attack and subdue the weakened islands come spring.

The Westerlands and the Stormlands have not suffered as much during the war, but the Stormlands are about to become the battleground for Aegon's invasion, and the West is likely about to see a rebellion in the Riverlands, which would conviniently allow Aegon to only face the Reach's host for the time being. The Dornish have an army waiting for the chance to launch an invasion into the Stormlands, and with the local authority fractured, it is likely to suffer some during winter. The West would likely suffer raids, not to mention the cost of recalling the banners for war.

The Reach, with Ironborn raiders, a Dornish host likely to make an entry, and with the chance of breaking up in a new phase of the civil war, is still the most prepared for the coming winter. The bread basket of Westeros is in a prime location to both grow food and gather food reserves, and to suffer as least as possible form the cold, being even mostly further south than the Stormlands. The Reach, with all it's foes all around it, is still a beast of a faction, with the military might to face the Ironborn, the Dornish, and Aegon's forces in the Stormlands at the same time. Even the reborn Faith Militant is a minor threat to this region. 

Dorne is the region which would suffer the least from winter itself, but they are unlikely to come out unscathed from the war, being one of the weakest factions.

 

The Night's Watch has no chance. Like none. They are barely 600 men, not counting the few small folk who still dwell on thier lands, or the few thousand Wildlings who recently came south of the Wall. Marsh told Jon back in early Dance, before Stannis traded a thousand Wildlings for information about the Northern Clans, way before the bulk of the Wildlings came south with Tormund, about the sorry state of thier food reserves. It's not even winter and they are already at half rations. Jon Snow took a loan for food, but that was for the NW's ~600 and another ~900 from Stannis, not for thousands more with Tormund, or thousands more with Mother Mole and others. To this we can add Jon's stunt in the Shieldhall, the coming war with the Boltons, the conflict between the NW who wish to remain neutral and the Wildlings, and of course, general winter and his sidekicks, the Others. We do not know if the obsidian Rolland Storm was mining would ever get to the Wall. We do not know if the loan from the Iron Bank would come through, be it Tycho dying in the snow, the NW coming apart in war with the Wildlings, or even if ships could still get through in a few months. With the NW asking for ever increasing amounts of food with only promises of payment and no financial plan, winter storms growing stronger, and Braavos itself perhaps about to purchase said food for it's own war effort in Essos, a betting man or woman would stay clear of the NW. The only way for them to survive would be if Stannis is still alive and kicking. The Iron Bank made Stannis a priority, and as long as the NW is important to Stannis, they enjoy that status, as is evident when they get a blank check after promising nothing but weak words, and when the entire continent is already on a loan ban from the Iron Bank. For Stannis the Iron Bank would risk resources. It would sent sellswords by the thousands to Eastwatch, and it would keep them clothed and fed and armed, and it would aid Stannis in gaining allies in his war. But if that link is gone, there is no way the NW makes it to spring. Not with a decade of winter and being the crown's last concern.

[lidsa]

'Winter' / the weather: Dorne and Essos. They are not prepared for what is coming, since normal winters don't hit it as hard, but the Long Night hits the world equally.  

'Winter' / the Others: the North, and depending on if the Others can use ships or otherwise traverse the oceans, Braavos and the Iron Islands.

[Good Guy Garlan]

I'm tempted to say the North but the whole "A Time for Wolves" thing is throwing me off. Maybe Starks (and northerners in general) really are tough enough to survive winter. And well, we saw that with the Liddles and the other clans just making Stannis' southrons look like absolute losers on the march to Winterfell. 

So I'd go with the Riverlands too. 

Now, when Dany arrives is another question, but I think Dorne's gonna get fucked if they go up against her dragons. 

[Ruhail]

King's Landing.

[Nyrhex]

1 hour ago, Good Guy Garlan said:

And well, we saw that with the Liddles and the other clans just making Stannis' southrons look like absolute losers on the march to Winterfell.  

I never get how this is such a common misconception. The Clansmen have proper winter gear and are there to die because they fully realise that come winter they are fucked. The guys from the Stormlands never felt such a cold because it's not that cold in the south in winters. The Long Night 2.0 would mean that the south would have a hard time. No, they will not lose a few people every night because the population of the south won't be in a constant state of a forced march with little in the way of gear or supplies, but they will feel the winter is significantly colder than previouse ones. That means that instead of staying in for months on end and passing the time they would actually face the hardships of severe winter, with food running out in a winter assumed to be years long. That sucks. But the Northmen would simply die out. They have no supplies worth mentioning, and they already have a tradition of severe winters costing countless lives due to famine and the terrible conditions. This one would be a nightmare, with the North simply put getting the shortest straw, due to it being the northermost region. It's simply how things work - The North is already used to severe winters when people from the Stormlands never felt such cold in any winter, and this one would be worse, because the North is where it gets the coldest. So you have underground settlements where some can gather. What good does that do when they have no supplies? What good does it do to those who have no such shelter? None.

The Clansmen are not showing the Stormlanders to be losers, it's the other way around. The Clansmen fully expect, and even desire to die in the coming single battle, because the alternative - freezing to death with fuck all ability to help thier families - is fucking terrifying. They are the losers here, because they are fully in a losing mode, they just wish to pick the way they are going to lose. 

The Stormlanders on the other hand suffer through this, because sorry, but for them this is a fucking side quest. They are not here to save "Muh Ned's girl", they are here because they are following Stannis in two major wars - One to reclaim the entire continent, and the other to defend the realm from mythological ice demons. For the Clansmen, dying with Bolton blood on thier lips would be the high point of thier lives, and a better fate than what awaits them in the coming winter. For the southerners, it would be a tuesday, because this battle? Liberating the North? Surviving Winter? Are all things they need to do to get thier goals - seat Stannis on the Iron Throne after having defended the realm from the Others.

 

The North is fucked, and the Clansmen made very clear how much so. The "A time for wolves" and any "happy ending" for the Starks or the North in general depends on an endgame victory that defeats the Others and rids Westeros of the messed up seasons and the coming snowpocalypse. It is not to confirm the fanboy trope of Northern Master Race that laughs at the face of puny winter.

[RobOsevens]

11 hours ago, Victarion Chainbreaker said:

Any answer other than "The North" is wrong.

haha 100% this

[lidsa]

I think the misconception here is to take the example of the Liddles and extrapolate from that to all of the North. Northmen/Clansmen go out to die every winter - so this coming winter is nothing special so far.  

And the North does have provisions and resources, and most importantly their houses are built to last through severe temperatures. Lots of places in the North can even grow food during the winter. Glass gardens were not exclusive to Winterfell, though only a few are likely to have what amounts to central heating. Yes, the Wot5K depleted manpower and resources from the North, but it's not like everything is gone. The only places that were directly hit during the War were Deepwood Motte, Torrhen's Square, Winterfell, the Stoney Shore, and the Hornwood lands. That's nothing.

Other than that the North is relatively fine (bar succession crisis), even without the manpower to bring in the last harvest, since the North always had to depend on having resources stocked anyhow.  

And since Robb failed to secede, supposedly the trading with the south hasn't stopped yet. On top of that, Braavos seems highly interested in the North's wood resources (White Harbor should be the best supplier in terms of availability and location), and with Stannis still in the North, the money shouldn't be cut off from northern Lords either, like it is for the south.

I think the people who have experience living through hard winters will actually know how to live through a hard winter.