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What do you think will happen to him in WoW? Did he take Jeyne when he escaped RR? Where will he go? To Brotherhood? Or even to Stormlands or Essos when he realises Targs are his only chance of retakig RR (not likely though, they did side with Robert, but certanly better than under Lannister rule, I think better chances are with Daenerys because of GC)? If he has Jeyne, how will her story go?

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4 minutes ago, Daemon Blackfyre IV said:

Tom O'Seven has probably been communicating with him, so i believe he has made a plan with the brotherhood to free Edmure he will emerge from the woods with the brotherhood and maybe even some friends from the Vale

Yeah, this is probably the likeliest possibility, though for some reason I don't like the idea of the Tullys getting involved with the Nu Dark Brotherhood and the horrible thing Cat has become. 

But a more crackpot idea is that the Blackfish is gonna show up at the Vale, or more specifically at his old joint of the Gates of the Moon, during 

Littlefinger's tourney, maybe even as a mystery knight, coz what's a tourney without a mystery knight?

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Well, I quite like the idea that he's going to show up in the Vale. He was regent there for almost fifteen years, chances are he still has friends there. And given that he knows Catelyn very well, he'd likely figure out Alayne Stones real identity without problems.

Of course, him freeing Edmure and Jeyne would be awesome, too, and not completely impossible, but I think the Vale is more likely.

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20 minutes ago, Queen Alienor said:

Well, I quite like the idea that he's going to show up in the Vale. He was regent there for almost fifteen years, chances are he still has friends there. And given that he knows Catelyn very well, he'd likely figure out Alayne Stones real identity without problems.

Of course, him freeing Edmure and Jeyne would be awesome, too, and not completely impossible, but I think the Vale is more likely.

Nestor was the 'Regent'. Blackfish was the Knight of the Gate, a position now held by the second son of Lady Waynwood.

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2 minutes ago, aryagonnakill#2 said:

He's hiding inside Riverrun and will open the gates for the BWB for the Red Wedding 2.0. This was foreshadowed in the Griffen Reborn chapter where only Jon Con knows where the secret hidey hole is where the noble family was hiding.

The Red Wedding happened in part because the Freys and the 3,500 with Roose outnumbered Robb. Somehow I doubt the BWB have the same numbers.

Nor do I think they know when or where this marriage is likely to take place. It would seem a pretty pointless reason for the Blackfish to hide given the lack of information he has on the subject.

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4 hours ago, thelittledragonthatcould said:

Nestor was the 'Regent'. Blackfish was the Knight of the Gate, a position now held by the second son of Lady Waynwood.

 

5 hours ago, Queen Alienor said:

Well, I quite like the idea that he's going to show up in the Vale. He was regent there for almost fifteen years, chances are he still has friends there. And given that he knows Catelyn very well, he'd likely figure out Alayne Stones real identity without problems.

Of course, him freeing Edmure and Jeyne would be awesome, too, and not completely impossible, but I think the Vale is more likely.

 

As Knight of the Gate I'm sure that Blackfish was well respected in the Vale but why would he go there? the Vale Lords had their chance to help the Riverlands  and they did nothing so why would the Blackfish waste the time and energy going to ask for help from the same people that completely abandoned him before ? The Blackfish is somewhere in the Riverlands looking to free Edmure and retake the Riverlands from the Freys and Lannisters , the Lannister's are nowhere near as strong as they used to be (they suffered a lot of losses in the war and Tywin is dead ) and the Freys have an army up North that will probably never make it back South so there are enough Rivermen around  that if Blackfish can unite them that he does not need  to seek help from anybody else. 

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What can Robin do? It is a huge risk, imagine if someone not Royce got to power like Baelish did and immediately arrests BF, way too risky.

Freeing Edmure should be priority, although what would happen to his kid if he escapes? Tullys are very very popular in RL, perhaps the most beloved great house by smallfolk, Starks are kinda on that level.

They could do great many things together.

And yes, at least half of Frey army is North and they are getting Night Lamped by Stannis.

Lannisters are so so weak now. And they are in worst position since Oxcross. They have Stannis in the North and Aegon in the South and very little army because Robb slaughtered at least half of them. Tyrells have their own problems and I find them more likely to escape KL and side with Aegon, if not most of their men will be at Reach defending their home. Only interesting question here is will Vale rise to fight for Lannisters? Freys will have to send some men too because Lannisters will need every single man and all that will leave RL undefended and Brynden migh retake it and most likely side with Aegon.

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18 minutes ago, thelittledragonthatcould said:

For Robin. A living family member he can actually help.

why would he go all the way to the Vale to help Robin when when he has a limited amount of time to save Edmure? (once Edmure is  in Casterly Rock there will be no way to get him out) Robin ( as far as Blackish knows ) is safe in the Vale and Blackfish has the whole Riverlands to worry about , he does not have the luxury to worry about Robin. 

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Blackfish vowed to keep Jeyne Westerling safe to Robb, and Edmure is his cousin. His first allegiance is to Robb's queen and the Tully Lord of RR. There's a reason why Edmure left RR with a smile. Note also that almost everybody but 2 guys left RR after they disarmed and disappeared into the woods... the same woods where Lannister spies have noticed fires burning and feel being spied on. With all the Frey parties they've been hanging, the BwB has been gathering weapons. Those orphans with Gendry at the inn must have gotten their spears and crossbows from somewhere no? Meanwhile those other 2 are escorted to Maidenpool to take the boat to the Wall. Hmmmm. And the Blackfish has disappeared, while his almost compelte garrisson is in the woods. I think they were welcomed by groups of the BwB and armed and rejoined with Blackfish. They might even get help from some of the RL Houses that never showed up to help the Freys with the siege. I expect an attack on the Jeyne escort party to help Jeyne and Edmure escape the Lannisters. And they will join BwB to retake RR during a particular wedding feast, with the help of men like Tom who'll let them in while the Freys are drunk. What are the odds that Arbor Gold will be served?

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12 minutes ago, Blackfish Tully said:

why would he go all the way to the Vale to help Robin when when he has a limited amount of time to save Edmure? (once Edmure is  in Casterly Rock there will be no way to get him out) Robin ( as far as Blackish knows ) is safe in the Vale and Blackfish has the whole Riverlands to worry about , he does not have the luxury to worry about Robin. 

How is he going to save Edmure? He is one man, not superman.

 

edit: and considering he was willing to let Edmure hang, I'm not sure saving him from being a prisoner will be a priority. Edmure is probably going to have a better life as a prisoner at the Rock then he would be as a noble on the run.

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2 minutes ago, thelittledragonthatcould said:

How is he going to save Edmure? He is one man, not superman.

 

edit: and considering he was willing to let Edmure hang, I'm not sure saving him from being a prisoner will be a priority. Edmure is probably going to have a better life as a prisoner at the Rock then he would be as a noble on the run.

I'm assuming that he would find help , not sure why that would be hard to understand. 

As for letting Edmure hang that's a cynical way to look at that situation . The Freys were going to hang or not hang Edmure no matter what Blackfish did in that situation  unless you think that there was any way that Blackfish could trust the Freys to keep their word.

I'm just guessing that Edmure would rather be a free man trying to get back his castle then a prisoner in the Rock, 

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11 minutes ago, thelittledragonthatcould said:

How is he going to save Edmure? He is one man, not superman.

 

edit: and considering he was willing to let Edmure hang, I'm not sure saving him from being a prisoner will be a priority. Edmure is probably going to have a better life as a prisoner at the Rock then he would be as a noble on the run.

If you think that Blackfish is going to allow his brother's last child be sent to the Rock without trying to save him  then we are clearly reading different stories. The Blackfish loves his family and as far as he knows only Edmure and Robin are alive so he's going to do everything he can to save Edmure and retake the Riverlands , what else would he do? 

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1 minute ago, Blackfish Tully said:

I'm assuming that he would find help , not sure why that would be hard to understand. 

Well timing is an issue. Where would the Blackfish find help from? Considering Jaime sends Edmure and the other prisoners with Prester the next day then he is going to have to have found this help very quickly.

When Edmure and the Westerlings departed, four hundred men rode with them; Jaime had doubled the escort again at the last moment.

It seems unlikely that he will be able to not only find more than 400 trained men, but also 400 horses in one day who are all ready to peruse Prester.

It also seems hugely unlikely that Jaime, who rode part of the way with Prester, would not have noticed the huge column of riders pursuing Prester.

1 minute ago, Blackfish Tully said:

As for letting Edmure hang that's a cynical way to look at that situation .

No, that is precisely what happened. The first time they put the noose around his nephews neck he knew the Freys, responsible for the Red Wedding, were capable. He was willing to sacrifice Edmure to hold onto Riverrun a bit longer

1 minute ago, Blackfish Tully said:

The Freys were going to hang or not hang Edmure no matter what Blackfish did in that situation  unless you think that there was any way that Blackfish could trust the Freys to keep their word.

As I said, he was willing to sacrifice his nephew.

1 minute ago, Blackfish Tully said:

I'm just guessing that Edmure would rather be a free man trying to get back his castle then a prisoner in the Rock, 

He probably would do. But it is a pointless plan without an army and the only army he is likely to raise is Robin's in the Vale.

 

2 minutes ago, Blackfish Tully said:

If you think that Blackfish is going to allow his brother's last child be sent to the Rock without trying to save him

 He was willing to let him hang without trying to save him. Edmure's life is in less danger at the Rock then it was with a noose around it when the Blackfish did nothing.

2 minutes ago, Blackfish Tully said:

 

 then we are clearly reading different stories.

Yes clearly. One of us is basing our opinion on events that happened in the books and the other on our avatar.

2 minutes ago, Blackfish Tully said:

 

The Blackfish loves his family and as far as he knows only Edmure and Robin are alive so he's going to do everything he can to save Edmure and retake the Riverlands , what else would he do? 

He needs to raise men first. He needs to gain support. At present he simply does not have the means to chase after Edmure and rescue him. He is a human being, not Superman

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Blackfish Tully explained hang thing very well, they made their opinion on the matter long time ago. It is stupid thing to do as well, if he killed Edmure it would only enrage Brynden and garrison and they will fight to death. If Freys chose to kill Edmure they would kill him along with Blackfish after he surrenders.

BwB will help him and like someone said, many men are in the woods and like I said Tullys are very popular so he can raise some men by himself.

Tell me, what are the odds of Robin giving him and army? Clearly someone is regent so he needs to take a risk and hope it is someone who he can work with. Lets be generous and assume that, by that moment Robb and Jeyne are in CR very very far from reach. Family, Duty, Honor, remember?

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