Jackson82 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Benjen Stark is still missing, I wonder what happened to him. We see him in the first season, as he doesn’t return, the lord commander goes beyond the wall to look for Benjen Stark and his other fellow rangers. Where is he? Do you think he is Coldhands? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dariopatke Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 He certanly is not Coldhands, GRRM confirmed it, so I hope he has some role further or we will get to know what happened to him. It would be so lame that Benjen stpryline remains unresolved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Writhen Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Still think he is in the WW equivalent of a maximum security prison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonSnowed Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 He went missing fairly close to the wall and his colleagues were brought back by the Nights watch, it seems strange that he would be taken prisoner and moved all the way to the lands of always winter. I'm fairly certain he's dead myself, otherwise surely it would have come up now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gendry_Goldeneyes Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 5 hours ago, JonSnowed said: He went missing fairly close to the wall and his colleagues were brought back by the Nights watch, it seems strange that he would be taken prisoner and moved all the way to the lands of always winter. I'm fairly certain he's dead myself, otherwise surely it would have come up now. well he is a stark and related to the first men, maybe they took him based off that alone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince of the North Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 On 2/9/2016 at 0:10 PM, dariopatke said: He certanly is not Coldhands, GRRM confirmed it, so I hope he has some role further or we will get to know what happened to him. It would be so lame that Benjen stpryline remains unresolved. I'm not saying Benjen is Coldhands or not but I'm always curious why people think it's absolutely confirmed from that first draft margin note that Martin penned to his editor (if that's what you're referring to)? I mean, a great many things changed after that early draft but, for some reason, people are absolutely convinced that Benjen not being Coldhands couldn't have changed? As I say, I'm not certain Benjen is Coldhands but I'm also not at all convinced that first draft margin note is the slam dunk people make it out to be (unless there's some other direct Martin confirmation that Benjen isn't Coldhands that I'm unaware of...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dariopatke Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 You are right, I didn't see things that way. I just hope that his story is not over or at least has some meaning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince of the North Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 1 hour ago, dariopatke said: You are right, I didn't see things that way. I just hope that his story is not over or at least has some meaning. I couldn't agree with you more! I actually kind of hope Coldhands does turn out to be a dead Benjen Stark resurrected by Bloodraven in the same way as Beric Donderrion and Lady Stoneheart were brought back in order to guard and guide Bran to him. That would make quite a bit of sense and explain quite a few things to me. But, of course, Martin may very well have other plans and I'm confident he will do something interesting with Coldhands! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Writhen Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 4 hours ago, Prince of the North said: I'm not saying Benjen is Coldhands or not but I'm always curious why people think it's absolutely confirmed from that first draft margin note that Martin penned to his editor (if that's what you're referring to)? I mean, a great many things changed after that early draft but, for some reason, people are absolutely convinced that Benjen not being Coldhands couldn't have changed? As I say, I'm not certain Benjen is Coldhands but I'm also not at all convinced that first draft margin note is the slam dunk people make it out to be (unless there's some other direct Martin confirmation that Benjen isn't Coldhands that I'm unaware of...) True. He could always change his mind and Benjen really is Coldhands, surprise. But if The Night's King has Stark blood as they say, he may have spared Benjen and imprisoned him up north. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince of the North Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 19 hours ago, Richard Writhen said: True. He could always change his mind and Benjen really is Coldhands, surprise. But if The Night's King has Stark blood as they say, he may have spared Benjen and imprisoned him up north. Yes, this is true as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BalerionTheCat Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Coldhands is not in the show. He will probably never be. Benjen has left for too long. The show will probably do without him either. Whatever purpose he still has in the books, it will be taken by a NW brother or a Wildling. Martin said that the final two novels will take readers farther north than any of the previous books. We will need a POV there. Maybe Jon, maybe Benjen. But anyway, I believe we will find Benjen alive there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Ghost of Someone Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 On 2/11/2016 at 0:16 PM, Prince of the North said: Yes, this is true as well Well, it would be an explaination as kinslaying is a curse. On the show, the Night's King took a really long hard look at Jon after he "offed" one of his leutenants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissdbyfire Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 On 10 February 2016 at 5:09 PM, Prince of the North said: I'm not saying Benjen is Coldhands or not but I'm always curious why people think it's absolutely confirmed from that first draft margin note that Martin penned to his editor (if that's what you're referring to)? I mean, a great many things changed after that early draft but, for some reason, people are absolutely convinced that Benjen not being Coldhands couldn't have changed? As I say, I'm not certain Benjen is Coldhands but I'm also not at all convinced that first draft margin note is the slam dunk people make it out to be (unless there's some other direct Martin confirmation that Benjen isn't Coldhands that I'm unaware of...) Agree 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglo Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 Perhaps he has been taken by the White Walkers because of the relationship between the Starks and the Others. Maybe the Night's King still holds a grudge for the Stark's ending his reign and probably offing his White Walker bride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fattest Leech Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 1 hour ago, Anglo said: Perhaps he has been taken by the White Walkers because of the relationship between the Starks and the Others. Maybe the Night's King still holds a grudge for the Stark's ending his reign and probably offing his White Walker bride. I sit in this group of thought with you. The Game prologue shows Waymar Royce being scouted and hunted and tested by the WW's and the killed when it turns out he is 1) not a full blood Stark, or 2) not Jon Snooo (someone that is probably the bad guy in their own prophecy). Benjen has a strong Stark look so he could have had his own Waymar situation especially since his two companions came were wighted as the "extras" were in the Game prologue. Or, it could be the twist in Winds??? Coldhands pulls the fabric from his face and says "surprise" and helps Bran escape out of that cave backdoor he told Bran about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Arthur Smith Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Benjen Stark = Night's King? Okay yeah i'm justing fooliing around with the theories that surround Benjen. But in all seriousness, hard to say since GRMM hasn't reveal hints about Benjen's whereabout nor whether he's alive or dead and like the others said, Coldhand isn't in the show and GRMM revealed the Coldhand isn't Benjen. Whatever Benjen's purpose is for both the book and show, who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriele Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 19 hours ago, The Fattest Leech said: Or, it could be the twist in Winds??? Coldhands pulls the fabric from his face and says "surprise" and helps Bran escape out of that cave backdoor he told Bran about. But Coldhands isn't dead in the show, he's never been in it. I think they are two different characters like Martin says. Even a 'gardener' like him has some ideas where to go in the end albeit the way itself is not mapped out. He probably has something planned for Benjen long ago, while Coldhands may be a later addition, maybe one of those walk-in-characters writers love so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fattest Leech Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 5 minutes ago, Gabriele said: But Coldhands isn't dead in the show, he's never been in it. I think they are two different characters like Martin says. Even a 'gardener' like him has some ideas where to go in the end albeit the way itself is not mapped out. He probably has something planned for Benjen long ago, while Coldhands may be a later addition, maybe one of those walk-in-characters writers love so much. I know. I was making a joke Sometimes it's hard to tell when you just read it online... or my jokes suck. I will accept either explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriele Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 It could work in the show, though. Jacqen takes his face off and is really Benjen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voldemormont Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 I don't think Coldhands can be the Nights King. The Nights King already gave his soul to his Other Wife. If a resurrected magic frozen zombie corpse had an intact conciouness, I can only image it would be the soul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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