James Steller Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 From the start of AGOT's timeline, list all the warriors of Westeros you can think of and rank them in these categories: Elite Exceptional Above Average Average Below Average Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Frasier of House Crane Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 If we’re talking strictly at the start of A Game of Thrones and not people in their primes: Elite: Oberyn Martell Jaime Lannister Garlan Tyrell Loras Tyrell Barristan Selmy Khal Drogo Syrio Forel Exceptional: Brienne of Tarth Gregor Clegane Sandor Clegane Brynden Tully Victarion Greyjoy Talbert Serry Strong Belwas Bronn Gerold Dayne Greatjon Umber Areo Hotah Daario Naharis Lyn Corbray (maybe?) Balon Swann Jon Snow Above Average: Stannis Baratheon (we don’t really get much information about his personal fighting skills in the text, but the man is a Baratheon and a seasoned warrior, so I’d at least rate him here) Rodrik Cassel Jeor Mormont Bronze Yohn Royce Jason Mallister Jorah Mormont Vardis Egen Mandon Moore Meryn Trant Jory Cassel Eddard Stark Theon Greyjoy (with an arrow he’s exceptional, but I don’t know if he’s good with a sword, so I’ll balance him here) Robb Stark Average: Ramsay Snow (a butcher but he is fearless, which does make up for his lack of skill with the sword) Davos Seaworth (doesn’t have highborn training, but his guile would definitely make up for that) Below Average: Boros Blount Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaguya Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 1. Arthur Dayne 2. Barristan Selmy 3. Jaime Lannister This is cannon yeah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floki of the Ironborn Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Well well, here we go:Elite Jaime Lannister, Barristan Selmy, Gregor Clegane, Sandor Clegane, Garlan Tyrell, Loras Tyrell, Oberyn Martell, Victarion Greyjoy Exceptional Lyle Crakehall, Greatjon Umber, Guyard Morrigan, Bryce Caron, Philip Foote, Lothor Brune, Lyn Corbray, Bronn, Harras Harlaw, Daemon Sand, Andrik the Unsmiling, Areo Hotah, Balon Swann, Brienne of Tarth, Brynden 'Blackfish' Tully, Rolland Storm, Iron Emmett, Gerold Dayne, Dagmer Cleftjaw, Jorah Mormont Above Average Robb Stark, Yohn Royce, Robar Royce, Parmen Crane, Robett Glover, Mandon Moore, Arys Oakheart, Nute the Barber, Tris Botley, Red Ralf Stonehouse, Donnel Swann, Randyll Tarly, Hosteen Frey, Black Walder Frey, Addam Marbrand, Daven Lannister, Rodrik Cassel, Jon Snow, Jason Mallister, Tytos Blackwood, Black Walder Frey, Theon Greyjoy, Beric Dondarrion, Thoros of Myr, Lem Lemoncloak, Rorge, Biter, Jory Cassel, Godry Farring, Donal Noye, Qorin Halfhand, Tormund Giantsbane, Mance Rayder, Richard Horpe, Asha Greyjoy, Euron Greyjoy, Magnar Styr, Cortnay Penrose, Talbert Serry, Steelshanks, Andar Royce, etc. Average Eddard Stark (I refuse to believe that he could beat Arthur Dayne without some kind of trick), Stannis Baratheon, Alliser Thorne, Justin Massey, Meryn Trant, Bonifar Hasty, Jacelyn Bywater, Wendel Manderly, Robin Flint, Dacey Mormont, Alysane Mormont, Harrion Karstark, Wylis Manderly, Rickard Karstark, Harys Swift, Hugh of the Vale, Tyrion Lannister (given that he actually does fight and kill people), Lancel Lannister, Edmure Tully, Stevron Frey, Perwyn Frey, Galbart Glover, Marq Piper, Gendry, Yoren, Clayton Suggs, Ygritte, Aron Santagar, Hobber Redwyne, Jared Frey, Patrek Mallister, Theo Frey, Grenn, etc. Below Average Robert Baratheon (he's fat and slow, unable to fight anymore), Boros Blount, Sam Tarly, Benfred Tallhart, etc. That's all I feel like doing right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Hyle Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Dr. Cane and King Floki, How do average and especially below average fighters get appointed as members of the Kingsguard? I would think they'd have to be in the Exceptional category at the time they're appointed so as not to embarrass the King. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Frasier of House Crane Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 3 minutes ago, Ser Hyle said: How do average and especially below average fighters get appointed as members of the Kingsguard? I would think they'd have to be in the Exceptional category at the time they're appointed so as not to embarrass the King. Politics, man, politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floki of the Ironborn Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 34 minutes ago, Ser Frasier of House Crane said: Politics, man, politics. Exactly. Richard Horpe wanted to be in the Kingsguard and by all accounts he's a better fighter than at least two who made it into the Kingsguard, but Cersei intervened and he was passed over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple-eyes Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Dayne was mentioned as the deadliest one out of seven KG including young barristan. So I think he is best. Though not sure if he is better than mountain at fighting. After all mountain is the strongest man in the realm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light a wight tonight Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 53 minutes ago, purple-eyes said: Though not sure if he is better than mountain at fighting. After all mountain is the strongest man in the realm. Sandor was shown as being a better fighter in AGoT. Jaime is sure that he could defeat Gregor. Oberyn had defeated him but did something fatally stupid. Strength is only one factor in fighting ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple-eyes Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 1 minute ago, Light a wight tonight said: Sandor was shown as being a better fighter in AGoT. Jaime is sure that he could defeat Gregor. Oberyn had defeated him but did something fatally stupid. Strength is only one factor in fighting ability. True. Robert strong maybe harder to defeat though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raisin' Bran Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 2 hours ago, Ser Frasier of House Crane said: If we’re talking strictly at the start of A Game of Thrones and not people in their primes: Elite: Oberyn Martell Jaime Lannister Garlan Tyrell Loras Tyrell Barristan Selmy Khal Drogo Syrio Forel Exceptional: Gregor Clegane Sandor Clegane... What is the criteria for being and elite fighter. Jaime, Loras, Sandor, and Gregor were the final four in the Hand's Tourney, yet 2 of the four are considered to be non-elite (exceptional is not shabby though). I know that not all the best fighters attended the tourney, nor are all the best fighters exceptionally good with a lance (Garlan, though I bet he can hold his own in the joust). I do consider Sandor at the very least and probably Gregor too, to be elite. But mayhaps I can be persuaded different. Just because they are not graceful like Oberyn or Syrio, does not mean they are not elite. Killing numerous men in battle is killing numerous men in battle; winning is winning. Personally, I would rather win and look bad, than lose and look good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gronzag Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Ned- Average Jon Snow- Above average, potentially Exceptional Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raisin' Bran Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 5 minutes ago, Gronzag said: Ned- Average Jon Snow- Above average, potentially Exceptional Where does Mance Rayder fall in this? Exceptional? He trashed Lord Snow in ADoD. At the beginning of AGoT I do not think Jon Snow was exceptional. He was 14-15? Probably above average. And I do think that Ned was at least above average. He was 35 in AGOT, nowhere past prime fighting age. He survived numerous battles, leading the vanguard in Robert's Rebellion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beautiful Bloody Sword Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 4 hours ago, King Floki of the Ironborn said: Well well, here we go:Elite Jaime Lannister, Barristan Selmy, Gregor Clegane, Sandor Clegane, Garlan Tyrell, Loras Tyrell, Oberyn Martell, Victarion Greyjoy Exceptional Lyle Crakehall, Greatjon Umber, Guyard Morrigan, Bryce Caron, Philip Foote, Lothor Brune, Lyn Corbray, Bronn, Harras Harlaw, Daemon Sand, Andrik the Unsmiling, Areo Hotah, Balon Swann, Brienne of Tarth, Brynden 'Blackfish' Tully, Rolland Storm, Iron Emmett, Gerold Dayne, Dagmer Cleftjaw, Jorah Mormont Above Average Robb Stark, Yohn Royce, Robar Royce, Parmen Crane, Robett Glover, Mandon Moore, Arys Oakheart, Nute the Barber, Tris Botley, Red Ralf Stonehouse, Donnel Swann, Randyll Tarly, Hosteen Frey, Black Walder Frey, Addam Marbrand, Daven Lannister, Rodrik Cassel, Jon Snow, Jason Mallister, Tytos Blackwood, Black Walder Frey, Theon Greyjoy, Beric Dondarrion, Thoros of Myr, Lem Lemoncloak, Rorge, Biter, Jory Cassel, Godry Farring, Donal Noye, Qorin Halfhand, Tormund Giantsbane, Mance Rayder, Richard Horpe, Asha Greyjoy, Euron Greyjoy, Magnar Styr, Cortnay Penrose, Talbert Serry, Steelshanks, Andar Royce, etc. Average Eddard Stark (I refuse to believe that he could beat Arthur Dayne without some kind of trick), Stannis Baratheon, Alliser Thorne, Justin Massey, Meryn Trant, Bonifar Hasty, Jacelyn Bywater, Wendel Manderly, Robin Flint, Dacey Mormont, Alysane Mormont, Harrion Karstark, Wylis Manderly, Rickard Karstark, Harys Swift, Hugh of the Vale, Tyrion Lannister (given that he actually does fight and kill people), Lancel Lannister, Edmure Tully, Stevron Frey, Perwyn Frey, Galbart Glover, Marq Piper, Gendry, Yoren, Clayton Suggs, Ygritte, Aron Santagar, Hobber Redwyne, Jared Frey, Patrek Mallister, Theo Frey, Grenn, etc. Below Average Robert Baratheon (he's fat and slow, unable to fight anymore), Boros Blount, Sam Tarly, Benfred Tallhart, etc. That's all I feel like doing right now. I think Qhorin Halfhand would've beat Jamie, Barristen, and probably even Arthur Dayne without Dawn. If Jaime is on par with Barristen and Arthur, which is a bit of a stretch, and was great right handed but so far is unable to even be truly serviceable with his left, what does that say about the Halfhand who not only regained at least his former ability, but even exceeded that? He was the most feared man on or beyond the Wall, a much harsher environment that would entail more than tourney fighting and organized knightly battle. That says more than elite to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unde of the Wood Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Everyone's forgetting about Bronn.. that guy is deadly. Ned is definitely above average and probably better. Areo is a beast. Jaime was probably the best though. It's hard to tell though there havent been a ton of duels to compare edit. Khal drogo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oakhearts head Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Elite Areo Hotah, Barristan Selmy, Jaime Lannister, Khal Drogo, Mance Rayder, Oberyn Martell, Sandor Clegane, Syrio Forel. - Self explanatory, in my opinion. Drogo is arguably pound-for-pound the best fighter in the entire series, but he would likely lose to characters less skilled than he is due to classic Dothraki ignorance. Exceptional Andrik the Unsmiling, Archibald Yronwood, Balon Swann, Benjen Stark, Beric Dondarrion, Brienne of Tarth, Bronze Yohn Royce, Brynden Tully, Daario Naharis, Garlen Tyrell, Gerold Dayne, Greatjon Umber, Gregor Clegane, Loras Tyrell, Lyle Crakehall, Lyn Corbray, Mandon Moore, Qhorin Halfhand, Robar Royce, Strong Belwas, Thoros of Myr, Victarion Greyjoy, Waymar Royce. - All of these guys either have a very impressive CV or Martin went out of his way to tell you they are bad motherfuckers. Gregor just barely misses out on the top tier due to lack of versatility. Loras is a prodigy. He'll be higher in a few years if he's healthy. Above Average Arys Oakheart, Asha Greyjoy, Bronn, Dacey Mormont, Dagmer Cleftjaw, Daemon Sand, Grey Worm, Jon Connington, Jon Snow, Jorah Mormont, Jory Cassell, Khrazz, Mago, Meryn Trant, Obara Sand, Osmund Kettleblack, Oznak Zo Pahl, Preston Greenfield, Robb Stark, Shagga son of Dolf, Theon Greyjoy, Tormund Giantsbane, Vardis Egen. - All impressive in their own right, but mince meat to the guys in the top tier. Doesn't feel right putting Dagmer here. He'd be higher in his youth. Bronn is likely the most overrated fighter in the series. He's crafty, but you're crazy if you think he could compete with Jaime and he flat out refuses to fight Gregor. Jon and Robb are borderline choices. Still pretty impressive for two 16 year olds though. Average Alliser Thorne, Davos Seaworth, Eddard Stark, Euron Greyjoy, Ramsey Bolton, Stannis Baratheon. - The guys who are completely overrated, mostly due to the show. I'm not implying these guys flat out suck, but they're definitely more commanders than warriors. Ned and Stannis were likely competent in their own right and good enough to enter tourny's and such in their youth, the same way Renly still does in Game. However I doubt they would have been serious contenders in such a case. Below Average - Boros Blount, Jaime Lannister (one hand). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gronzag Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 7 hours ago, Raisin' Bran said: Where does Mance Rayder fall in this? Exceptional? He trashed Lord Snow in ADoD. At the beginning of AGoT I do not think Jon Snow was exceptional. He was 14-15? Probably above average. And I do think that Ned was at least above average. He was 35 in AGOT, nowhere past prime fighting age. He survived numerous battles, leading the vanguard in Robert's Rebellion. I wasn't clear enough. What i meant was that Jon Snow was currently Above Average with potential to become Exceptional fighter. Also, Ned was Average in comparison to other trained noble fighters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oakhearts head Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 I love Ned, but in single combat he wouldn't have lasted long against Arthur Dayne, prime Robert Baratheon, Gerold Hightower etc. The Northmen had a huge numbers advantage at the Tower of Joy yet scraped by on the skin of their teeth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floki of the Ironborn Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 4 hours ago, Oakhearts head said: Exceptional Andrik the Unsmiling, Archibald Yronwood, Balon Swann, Benjen Stark, Beric Dondarrion, Brienne of Tarth, Bronze Yohn Royce, Brynden Tully, Daario Naharis, Garlen Tyrell, Gerold Dayne, Greatjon Umber, Gregor Clegane, Loras Tyrell, Lyle Crakehall, Lyn Corbray, Mandon Moore, Qhorin Halfhand, Robar Royce, Strong Belwas, Thoros of Myr, Victarion Greyjoy, Waymar Royce. - All of these guys either have a very impressive CV or Martin went out of his way to tell you they are bad motherfuckers. Gregor just barely misses out on the top tier due to lack of versatility. You think Waymar Roye was exceptional? Based on what? I'm sure he was well trained, but by your judgment he could have defeated Bronn, Dagmer Cleftjaw, Jon Connington, and not only that, stand toe-to-toe with people like Victarion Greyjoy and Brienne of Tarth. And for that matter, you put Yohn Royce up there too? I'm sure the Royces are powerful warriors with a long history of such, but putting them up there with Garlan Tyrell seems a bit high for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slant Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Exceptional - Kojja Mo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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