red snow Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 55 minutes ago, Werthead said: Ha. Bryan Fuller himself has said that his two preferred choices would be Angela Bassett and Rosario Dawson, both of which would be good. Bassett ruled herself out because of American Horror Story: she could do another series as well, but not whilst she's raising twins. Dawson is doing the Netflix Marvel shows, but isn't a regular in any of them. A coule of sites have suggested Allison Tolman and Patrick Wilson (I'm assuming they recently binged on Fargo's first two seasons). A few other sites have suggested Gina Torres (who might actually be a better Firefly choice) or Ken Watanabe, who'd be pretty damn awesome. What has been entertaining are casting suggestions from people who don't seem to know their Trek history. "You know who'd be good? Michelle Forbes! Yeah, Michelle Forbes on Star Trek, can you imagine that?" Rosario Dawson certainly doesn't do enough in the Netflix shows to prevent her from having a leading role in Trek. Torres was in Hannibal too (and very good in it) so I can also see that as being more plausible than Fillion - although I guess fans are trying to find him a new job now. Watanabe would be awesome just because. I think i'd prefer the older version of Wilson's fargo character Keith Caradine. He could make a good Cardassian (he looks halfway there) although it turns out he was in "enterprise". I'm trying to think how big the cast needs to be for a Trek show? I guess it depends on the type of ship but it's usually a main crew of 8-12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceChampion Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 If they want a cerebral type like Picard, can't do better than Stephen Dillane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamjm Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 6 hours ago, SpaceChampion said: If they want a cerebral type like Picard, can't do better than Stephen Dillane. If we're doing fantasy casting then Mark Rylance would be perfect for a Picard-like Captain, although I think Dillane would be more likely to be available. Since we don't know what sort of character they're aiming for, it is difficult to predict the casting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 8 hours ago, red snow said: Watanabe would be awesome just because. I think i'd prefer the older version of Wilson's fargo character Keith Caradine. He could make a good Cardassian (he looks halfway there) although it turns out he was in "enterprise". I'd imagine that won't be an issue. They've had a lot of people play multiple parts, often even in the same series. Sometimes even multiple parts without heavy makeup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamjm Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 1 hour ago, RumHam said: I'd imagine that won't be an issue. They've had a lot of people play multiple parts, often even in the same series. Sometimes even multiple parts without heavy makeup. I seem to remember Jeffrey Coombs played two different characters in the same episode of DS9 once (and probably half a dozen different characters in Trek in general). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red snow Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 31 minutes ago, williamjm said: I seem to remember Jeffrey Coombs played two different characters in the same episode of DS9 once (and probably half a dozen different characters in Trek in general). he was the master of probably having played every alien race in Trek. They should definitely get him back in a new role. 1 hour ago, RumHam said: I'd imagine that won't be an issue. They've had a lot of people play multiple parts, often even in the same series. Sometimes even multiple parts without heavy makeup. it was more a reference to Wert pointing out how people were unaware of the fact Michelle Forbes was in Trek (I'm guessing these were BSG fans). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SerHaHa Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Love the suggestions so far, Dilane, Coombs, Watanabe would all be fantastic, Torres or Dawson too. This could turn out to be a great year, 2017, for Trek. Have to wait and see I guess. Despite not really being blown away by the JJ reboot, I am looking forward to this summer's Trek film. Also nice to here that JJ and others spear headed the stopping of the lawsuit vs fan films, especially Axanar, which IMO is a cut above any of the others (so far at least with Prelude). Fingers crossed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhom Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 I just don't understand how they can not pursue the lawsuit. I'm no lawyer, but I thought the very premise of copyright law is that you have to show that you are protecting the exclusivity of the brand no matter how small the infraction or else you could lose the rights later in bigger situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red snow Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 1 hour ago, Rhom said: I just don't understand how they can not pursue the lawsuit. I'm no lawyer, but I thought the very premise of copyright law is that you have to show that you are protecting the exclusivity of the brand no matter how small the infraction or else you could lose the rights later in bigger situations. Maybe it's not making much money (to the point it's not worth the negative press)? I agree that I'd consider it something they should stop for fear of anyone doing it. Then again I'm not sure how these things work. There's porn films based on Trek, etc all the time and they get around it by saying "parody" although I'd argue those projects rely almost entirely on the brand recognition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted May 22, 2016 Author Share Posted May 22, 2016 2 hours ago, Rhom said: I just don't understand how they can not pursue the lawsuit. I'm no lawyer, but I thought the very premise of copyright law is that you have to show that you are protecting the exclusivity of the brand no matter how small the infraction or else you could lose the rights later in bigger situations. That's trademark, and it usually applies only to immature brands. 50-year-old ones are a different matter. I also imagine there may be something where they agree to a waiver or something so it's being done with their permission, which would also avoid the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 On 5/21/2016 at 7:34 PM, red snow said: he was the master of probably having played every alien race in Trek. They should definitely get him back in a new role. it was more a reference to Wert pointing out how people were unaware of the fact Michelle Forbes was in Trek (I'm guessing these were BSG fans). It's funny at the time I didn't remember, but Forbes actually also played another role on Next Generation before she was cast as Ro. I caught part of the episode last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch-MaesterPhilip Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Family is a great episode of The Next Generation. I kind of lost it when Wesley plays the message his father recorded for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhom Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 On 5/22/2016 at 7:50 AM, Rhom said: I just don't understand how they can not pursue the lawsuit. I'm no lawyer, but I thought the very premise of copyright law is that you have to show that you are protecting the exclusivity of the brand no matter how small the infraction or else you could lose the rights later in bigger situations. On 5/22/2016 at 10:37 AM, Werthead said: That's trademark, and it usually applies only to immature brands. 50-year-old ones are a different matter. I also imagine there may be something where they agree to a waiver or something so it's being done with their permission, which would also avoid the problem. Well... Looks like Paramount/CBS have laid the hammer down on all the fan film productions. Guidelines announced for future fanmade Star Trek productions. Quote According to the 10-point guidelines released on Thursday, Trek fan productions cannot “exceed 30 minutes total, with no additional seasons, episodes, parts, sequels or remakes,” cannot include “Star Trek” in their titles, cannot involve anyone who has worked on Star Trek films or series, and cannot raise more than $50,000 for an individual production. In return for following these and other guidelines, CBS and Paramount state they “will not object to, or take legal action against” any “non-professional and amateur” fan productions. So yeah... Axanar and Renegades are effectively dead. I have read comments from fans who are upset and taking their anger out on Paramount/CBS; but I still go back to my original comment. I don't see how they can not shut these things down. They have a legal obligation to protect their brand. Some of these crowd funded productions have raised over a million dollars, this isn't someone writing a fan fiction where Kirk falls in love with a green skinned furry from the next galaxy over; these are actual quasi-professional productions. What would be the difference in this and someone raising 500k to fund themselves writing a prelude to ASoIaF telling the detailed history of the Dance of Dragons? We would rightly expect GRRM to shut it down post-haste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red snow Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 On 23/06/2016 at 8:30 PM, Rhom said: Well... Looks like Paramount/CBS have laid the hammer down on all the fan film productions. Guidelines announced for future fanmade Star Trek productions. So yeah... Axanar and Renegades are effectively dead. I have read comments from fans who are upset and taking their anger out on Paramount/CBS; but I still go back to my original comment. I don't see how they can not shut these things down. They have a legal obligation to protect their brand. Some of these crowd funded productions have raised over a million dollars, this isn't someone writing a fan fiction where Kirk falls in love with a green skinned furry from the next galaxy over; these are actual quasi-professional productions. What would be the difference in this and someone raising 500k to fund themselves writing a prelude to ASoIaF telling the detailed history of the Dance of Dragons? We would rightly expect GRRM to shut it down post-haste. Almost feels like the kind of thing where other companies would step in on their behalf. It's not like Marvel or Disney want a precedent for such types of fan film being acceptable. A lot of the guidelines seem pretty fair to me in that they still allow fan films to be made but not in such a way that people are massively profiting (if at all ) from using the trek IP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhom Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 1 hour ago, red snow said: Almost feels like the kind of thing where other companies would step in on their behalf. It's not like Marvel or Disney want a precedent for such types of fan film being acceptable. A lot of the guidelines seem pretty fair to me in that they still allow fan films to be made but not in such a way that people are massively profiting (if at all ) from using the trek IP Agreed. I just don't understand why anyone thinks it's okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxom 1974 Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 On Thursday, June 23, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Rhom said: Well... Looks like Paramount/CBS have laid the hammer down on all the fan film productions. Guidelines announced for future fanmade Star Trek productions. So yeah... Axanar and Renegades are effectively dead. I have read comments from fans who are upset and taking their anger out on Paramount/CBS; but I still go back to my original comment. I don't see how they can not shut these things down. They have a legal obligation to protect their brand. Some of these crowd funded productions have raised over a million dollars, this isn't someone writing a fan fiction where Kirk falls in love with a green skinned furry from the next galaxy over; these are actual quasi-professional productions. What would be the difference in this and someone raising 500k to fund themselves writing a prelude to ASoIaF telling the detailed history of the Dance of Dragons? We would rightly expect GRRM to shut it down post-haste. While I can see the essence of what their reasoning is, I feel this is a mistake by CBS and Paramount. Guidelines are fine, but they're the wrong ones. That the fans can raise the sums that they have, that some projects can have the actors involved that they have...it stands to the power of what Trek Fandom is capable of. Instead of finding a way to help foster that power and turn it to their own advantage, the powers that be have essentially told the fans that there isn't a place for their passion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhom Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 1 hour ago, Nacho 1974 said: While I can see the essence of what their reasoning is, I feel this is a mistake by CBS and Paramount. Guidelines are fine, but they're the wrong ones. That the fans can raise the sums that they have, that some projects can have the actors involved that they have...it stands to the power of what Trek Fandom is capable of. Instead of finding a way to help foster that power and turn it to their own advantage, the powers that be have essentially told the fans that there isn't a place for their passion. At what point does "passion" turn into "intellectual theft?" I think the guidelines are fair. If you want to make a truly amateur production and get some friends together in your garage and film your encounter with strange new worlds; that's fine. But if you want to make your own TV show... that's not fine. I go back to my GRRM example. Just because the media is different, why should we treat it any different? And in other news, Star Trek TV series to be more graphic. Quote The upcoming Star Trek TV series will be unlike any previous small-screen incarnation of the franchise in at least one key respect, showrunner Bryan Fuller points out: It won’t be bound by broadcast content standards. “Because we’re CBS All Access, we’re not subject to network broadcast standards and practices,” says Fuller, who famously pushed the boundaries of broadcast TV content on his last series, NBC’s Hannibal. “It will likely affect us more in terms of what we can do graphically. But Star Trek’s not necessarily a universe where I want to hear a lot of profanity, either.” I'll have to wait and see what exactly that means, but it certainly gives me pause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aemon Stark Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Sexploitation? Not that they've never done that before... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch-MaesterPhilip Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 1 hour ago, Rhom said: And in other news, Star Trek TV series to be more graphic. I'll have to wait and see what exactly that means, but it certainly gives me pause. I'm not sure how I feel about this either but I'll reserve my judgment until I see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceChampion Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Well, I doubt it'll mean full on Kirk/Spock slash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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